Most overrated aspects of a heavyweight?

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Idealism must not be staunched by safety Full Member

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    Follow up to Crowcroft's thread

    I'll start:

    - Lewis's power
    - Marciano's defense
    - Ali's ability to be caught
    - Liston's power
    - Tyson's chin
    - Vitali's chin
    - Wlad's stamina
    - Louis's power
    - Tua's everything
    - Lyle's chin
    - Wills' everything
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Foot Fetish Enthusiast. Nuff Said. Full Member

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    Marciano's, Vitali's and Tyson's chin

    Tua's and Wilder's Power

    Tyson's, Marciano's and Wlad's Defence

    Fury's and Valuev's height,

    Ike Ibeabuci...
    Deontay Wilder...
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    I think that's overly harsh on Harry Wills. He's way past it in the footage of him.

    Though some overrate his resume, I'd still consider him a very good overlooked fighter
     
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    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    For some reason Peter Jackson has a reputation as a puncher. He wasn't really.
     
  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    Vitali's chin and Louis power overrated?
    Based on what?
     
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  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    They overrate him because they cling to ANYTHING they can hate Dempsey for. That's why the entire "fab four" of McVea, Jeannette, Langford (in a heavyweight perspective) and Wills are overrated

    Even though I only see Wills beating a prime Willard and none of them beating Johnson or Dempsey. Guys like Fred Fulton, Billy Miske and Luther McCarty were equivalemt to McVea and Jeannette at the very least.
     
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  7. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    I've heard Vitali called the chin GOAT even though he really rarely got caught. A combination of his defense, power and imposement of his size. I think he's been hurt before at least.

    Louis did not hit harder than Baer, Dempsey or Marciano. This is fact stated by multiple sources and I wish people would stop trying to deny it. Louis had awesome 1 punch knockout power, both those other three, especially Dempsey and Marciano, were absolute monsters.
     
  8. Sangria

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    Nothing about George Foreman's superhuman, bone shattering power?
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    I still dont see how its qualified to be called overrated..even if you see it that way it's still very very impressive to say the least
     
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  10. Luis Fernando

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    Wlad's stamina? Wlad has always been considered to have suspect stamina so how can he have suspect stamina if that's the case?
     
  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    It's never brought up in his head to head matchups. Imo it's one of the reasons I find it nigh impossible to see him beat Marciano
     
  12. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    Wlad makes up for his lack of stamina through pace control. He's an ATG in this department.

    Cruiserweight Marciano would have as much of a chance at beating Wladimir Klitschko, as an Artur Beterbiev. Marciano's stamina advantage is irrelevant when he is that heavily outweighed and out-sized. Marciano would barely even be a cruiser today, much less heavyweight.
     
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  13. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    And that cruiser would still knock out the heavyweights

    Also never compare Marciano to Beterbiev, there's such a skill and talent gap there that it's not even funny. Marciano would impose his power and pace in Wlad and break him down
     
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  14. tommytheduke

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    Ingo's right. DeJohn and Liston could hit so much harder and still everyone talks Ingo's punch
     
  15. Seamus

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    Marciano's training regimen.
     


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