Most overrated aspects of a heavyweight?

Say he spars 5 days a week for 12 weeks he's actually only doing like 1 and a half rounds a day

 

I don't see anything precise enough to reply to until your last paragraph, so I'll just address that. In a nutshell, you're overexrapolating from a short term trend. Using an absolutely identical logical structure, you could have argued in the 90's -and indeed people did- that all the elite heavyweights had been black and that therefore there would never be another white champion. (This would actually have been a stronger argument than what you've presented, as that trend was much more established and persistent.)

I don't want to strike a low blow here, but I can't help but be struck by how some of the more egregious members of the "modern super-heavyweight" crowd - and I'm not yet saying you're among the more egregious - tend to make logical, statistical and scientific errors that are strikingly similar to those of the "race realist" crowd I see elsewhere on the internet -though to their credit they're nowhere near as odious or disingenuous as the racists and much more often make honest errors in good faith.
(Actually, even a few of the "race realists" are honestly mistaken and seem to sincerely believe they're just reluctantly accepting the unpleasant truth of hard "science".)

 

I AGREE. I was addressing the absurd notion Marciano and Frazier were in a class of their own in terms of heart and Ali and Holmes werent on that level.

 

The jab in general. Whenever people make up their lists of greatest sticks ever, it's oftentimes heavily populated with the big boys. In a division that lacks the overall skill level most others do, you can get by with narrow traits more often. Give me guys like Billy Graham, Ray Robinson, Tommy Hearns, and others over a lot of these guys.

 

Unfortunately for you, boxing isn't divided by 'color' divisions but by weight divisions. So that argument from you is a total red herring fallacy!

You're in your right to believe that a boxer of Marciano's style and size can come up and clean up the modern heavyweight division, and dominate for an extended period of time. But until such a thing actually happens, it remains purely fictitious or at best, a mere hypothesis. Nothing more than that!

And no, it's not a 'small trend'. It's been around 3 decades / generations of heavyweight boxing and it's always been dominated by the big / tall super heavyweights who have been the clear standout number 1 guys. It's not a coincidence! It's not happening by chance! Of course, you're free to believe to the contrary but you evidently have no leg to stand on, to support that position.

And as stated already, even if a small heavy does end up dominating the division and clears the division up, it still won't prove Marciano himself would've been able to as well. We also need to see someone with Marciano's outdated and ancient style do it too.

 

It's often not the jab itself either.

A fighter with a slower weaker jab, but better reflexes, range and footwork will be more effective than one with a stronger faster one but worse in those things a lot of the time.

 

Garbage. Just because the heavyweights are the biggest and the most powerful that doesn’t mean that they can’t be as skilled as all the other weight classes.

 

I didn't say they can't be, but they generally aren't.

 

Older Larry Holmes might be an example of this (although his jab was still pretty fast in his forties).

 

Good one!

 

One thing this forum has taught me is that fanboys don’t care about contemporaneous primary sources. At all. Especially when they conflict with the established folklore around a fighter or a fight.

 

Definitely.

 

Here we go again...

 

What are you whining about?