Most overrated HW of all time.

Perhaps you meant to call this thread "underated"?!

I'd say his defencive infighing is the greatest ever. He attacked of his defence (generally speaking) which made him a deceptivley dangerous fighter. He was also a very strong one.

The holding you're refering to was very much a part of the mindset of the day.

His competition as linear champ wasn't great. His competition as black champ and challenger is up there - most fighters had losses near the end of their careers, Johnsons went on much longer than mosts.

I have him at four.

I agree with Sweet Pea, Marciano. Just on the numbers. A great fighter, I have him at 13, many guys have him top three, some at one.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. Here's what I think Johnson has going fo him in the head to head department.

Best ring general of all time at heavyweight - only Ali competes in this area.

Great reactions. There are videos of him on youtube, you should look them up, he's openly compared to Ali in this department.

Very strong. As much as most of the others I would suggest.

Mentally strong. Never flustered.

For some of the above reasons he would need to be solved "in the ring". Sparring would be no use - that hamstrings some from the get go, the great Joe Louis included. I'd pick Jack to beat Joe head to head.

 

Good call!

 

Here is a brave and righteous man!