Most overrated old-timer?

The legend of Dempsey stands up to the test of the films. A prime Dempsey looks like fericious jungle cat full of speed, agility, power, and savagery. This was my point regarding legands. Some fighters like Johnson and Ketchel are disappointing on film.

 

Probably because before hand no one gave a ****, boxers took dives every day back then, Dempsey was just one more. He had plenty of reasons to do it and he had the opritunity.

 

Exactly, good post.

 

That is just pure comedy. "Wouldn't have much chance "

atsch

 

Janitor, those are ridiculously high odds on Dempsey. 3-1 against Frazier and Holyfield, 2-1 against Holmes?

I would make no one in history as much as a 2-1 favorite over Holmes. His style and skill are deep enough to stand in for that. Watch Dempsey vs Tunney (either) and then add 40lbs of natural weight to Tunney and you know that Dempsey is in a for a long night.

Holyfield would likely stand up to Dempsey's early onslaught like he did Tyson's and knock him out in the later rounds. He would push him around the ring even easier because he's 40 lbs lighter than Tyson was. I would make Holyfield a favorite over Dempsey, having him a 3-1 underdog is a joke.

 

But he thought, 'hey I better take a punch flush to the jaw to make it look good". Yeah, right. Also, most of Dempsey's challengers fought like they were told that the jab was now banned and they'd be disqualified if they were to throw one.

 

I have a Ring magazine at home where it lists the odds for every heavyweight fight from Sullivan-Mitchell to the Patterson era (it's in a preview of one of Floyd's defences, McNeeley or London, I think?). But I distinctly remember that Jack ws listed at 3-1 vs both Firpo and Carpentier. Holmes would be 3-1 if anything.

 

Dempsey was past his prime vs Tunney and if u fail to understand this then i can't help you. and no that is no evidence to point out how some "modern" fighter would handle him.

and plenty of fighters from the past go down in rankings, Ali and Robinson too will one day :hi:

 

i am not going to comment on Janitors odd's but it's unlikly that Holyfield stops Dempsey. As for Tyson, well he was the type of guy that mentally quit and was unable to do well after being hurt. Holyfield would have alot of trouble vs Dempsey , see the Qawi fight

 

appearently Dempsey being in trouble with Fripo is unforgivable but it is forgivable when a little cruiser who bleeds all the time named Cooper puts Ali down, Or snips putting Holmes down, or Budy Baer knocking Louis out of the ring :huh yeah right, pure bias

so what even if he had one ko loss? other heavies had just as much, or a bit more in some cases with the exception of Tunney and Marciano

 

as i expected, u failed to come up with any legit arguments on Dempseyy's article by Cox other then "they were written after he became champ" as if anyone would have cared had he been just a contender.

 

Don't kid yourself

 

i am not kidding anyone.

 

Not against 190 pounders mate.

Who's biased now? Holyfield beats a superb and seasoned champion in just his 12th pro fight 30 pounds under the weight we are looking at and you criticise? 10 years before his famous Tyson win. Nice example that one. Mind you i'll give some credit, Qawi was about the same weight as Jack.

 

A serious tip - don't hold your breath waiting for that one.