Most overrrated fighters ? (or, who do YOU "underrate"?)

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  1. Sonny's jab

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    Ezzard Charles hadn't been stopped in years, and certainly never by one quick devastating hook like that.
    Charles hadn't been been stopped by big-punching Elmer Ray, and went on to take untold shots from Rocky Marciano.
    The punch is a classic, and Charles was durable.

    I dont get the Ruiz-Jones comparison but that doesn't matter because I dont think I'm one of the ones who's ranting about Walcott's power punching.
    To me, it's just a sidenote - Walcott could punch pretty good - but it's not big thing. He wasn't a massive KO artist.

    Guys who fought him reckoned him a good puncher.

    Fair enough.
    I hold the opposite opinion. I think he's not mentioned enough.
     
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  2. Senya13

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    Georges Carpentier. Some people have him in Top 20, which is just crazy.
     
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  3. janitor

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    Why crazy?

    He is clearly a great light heavyweight and perhaps a great pound for pound fighter.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The Cockell fight?


    "Easy to hit but hard to hit clean" is my favourite quote concerning the subject. But that's the point. Foreman? Lewis? Ruddock? Surely these guys hitting Marciano 2/3, 1/2 is a different matter to Walcott doing the same?

    Well, it is, and it obviously is. BUT, it's not definitive. It's there to be overcome, same as poor instincts, short arms, poor chin, whatever.

    It was. But I stand by what I said - no cracking big men.

    Pah!
     
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  5. Sweet Pea

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    Jones is mostly ranked on dominance and skill level rather than resume, you could say the same for Jofre, who you consider underrated.

    Most of those blemishes came past his prime, such as his losses to Norris and especially Camacho, which wasn't even worth mentioning. Duran is intensely overrated if that's the way you want to judge, given all of his losses. His wins far surpassed his losses, especially considering he only had one in his prime.

    Most consider him a top 5 to top 10 ATG.

    You wanna talk about a lack of resume?

    His resume doesn't stack up, but his skills do, as does his career for the lower weights.
     
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  6. Senya13

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    A popular fighter, but a rather poor boxer with few good accomplishments, and even those that are "good" are mostly tainted by one thing or another, non-existing fouls by his opponents, or the referee not noticing his fouls. A clown with good management, that has no placement anywhere in Top 15 light-heavyweight ratings, even less so in any other weight division.
     
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  7. Sonny's jab

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    Yeah, he looked a bit clumsy there. He was at his best against the best. Other champions were like that too.

    And you can bet your life Rocky will be hitting them back.
    Any guy you can name who "could" knock out Rocky, you can write that same name down under "Rocky "could" knock out ...". It cuts both ways.
    I dont think Rocky was any more vulnerable to being hurt and KO'd than any other.

    Rocky's success was built on overcoming his "smallness", or using it to his advantage. His style was the short, short-armed, squat guy style. Bigger guys might be able to hold him at bay, or smother him like an octopus, true, and they would certainly attempt to do so. But we know the awkward short swarmer versus the tall stand-up boxer-puncher can go either way.

    That's a shame. I think Rocky was an absolutely brutal fighter, and quite capable of KOing a decent 6'3 220 pound fighter, which would have been both spectacular and point-proving. The bigger they are the harder they fall, after all.


    :rofl
     
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  8. Sonny's jab

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    A clown ?
    He was fighting 15 and 20 rounders when he was 14 years old.
    He fought the highly-regarded heavyweight Joe Jeanette when he was still just a 20 year-old 170 pound (at most) fighter. And some say he should've got that verdict.
    He had a lot of fights, real fights.
    He gave a brave showing against Jack Dempsey, he was over-matched but he came to fight. And whether you think Dempsey is overrated or not, there's no denying that he was a real fighter.
    "Clown" cant be the right word for Carpentier.
     
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  9. janitor

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  10. JohnThomas1

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    I am always hard on Aaron Pryor and Marvin Hagler, much harder than others - but can readily admit it. I don't think Marvin is quite all that is claimed and i think 95% of Pryor's reputation is built on two wins over what a critic would label an aged ex Featherweight. We all know Alexis was quite a bit more, but in reality he was advanced in age, WAY up in the weights and fighting someone who was a stylistic dilemna due to his unorthodoxy.
     
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  11. red cobra

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    And they wouldn't know what hit them.
     
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  12. Russell

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    I'm on the fence regarding Hagler myself. I'm definitely not crazy in regards to him like the majority of the body, rightly or otherwise.
     
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  13. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not a chance.
     
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  14. Sweet Pea

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    :lol: :patsch Wow, your bias is about as clear as air.
     
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  15. My dinner with Conteh

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    In another era maybe.
     
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