Most powerfull hitter

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    A little question to get you thinking, JT. What heavyweight in the history of the division needed the least amount of solid blows to dispatch opponents. We all know Shavers and Tyson buried many inferior opponents on the way up. So at a decent level. Throw in fighters from any weight division if you wish.

    Lopez never needed many punches.
     
  2. martin0792

    martin0792 The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Joe Louis was a natural ko puncher
     
  3. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tua deserves a mention I feel he probably hit harder then all on that list besides Foreman and Shavers.
     
  4. pugilist_boyd

    pugilist_boyd BUSTED UP PUG Full Member

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    i cant believe louis and rocky were blown away here ive sean them dispatch of so many with 2 punches (straight punches) especially louis ,the old greats always dissappear in time- in 20 years prob. only a few well appreciate the likes of rocky,louis,dempsey,johnson, or by then maybe even lewis,tyson,holy ,and others well almost be forgotten to,sad isnt it
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The guys Louis and Rocky blew away was generally smaller than the guys that Foreman, Shavers and, especially, Tyson and Lewis blew away. Imagine if you let Tyson loose in an era where just about all good HWs were below 200 lbs. He'd probably look even more impressive.

    And, as many have mentioned, while Louis didn't have the power of Shavers, Foreman et al., he was a far more precise and efficient puncher. I think we all agree on that. In that regard Louis is still unsurpassed.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Shavers hit hard as hell, no doubt. But what prime heavyweights did he actually KO with a single shot or combination? It took him a full round of throwing and mostly landing haymakers for an old Norton to finally crumble. Foreman and Cooney's destructions were much more impressive. Though I have never seen the fight, Ellis was quite past it by 73. Bugner is the next name that comes up on his resume and that was in 83. The rest were below ordinary or worse.

    Give me Joe Louis anyday.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Shavers was one punch fury without doubt. First man to stop Roy Williams and his power can be seen via the effects on Holmes and Ali, two ATG's. It wasn't just things like stopping Ellis and Norton, it was the way he stopped them. Tillis was like he'd been shot, as was Holmes.

    That's just plain weird. The entire fight goes 1.58 and Shavers landed his first serious punches to the head at about the 1.26 mark with many not landing cleanly at all :huh

    Anyone not impressed with his power in that one is never going to be impressed with the guy.

    Here it is for others to judge

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    I'm not so sure. You've mentioned Ellis being old vs Shavers yet still shout out for Cooney vs an over the hill Norton. Norton was past best obviously vs Shavers but he was cactus vs Cooney.

    Here's Shavers - Ellis, ironically a devastating one punch KO for Shavers

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    Louis feasted on a huge array of stiff's too.

    So you still take Louis for one punch power if landed?
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The ting about Louis is that most of his oponents said that sombody else hit them harder like Max Baer or Curtis Shepard.

    While Louis's power was undoubtedly top draw it was his delivery more than anything else that made him dangerous.
     
  9. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly ... it's the difference between a Foreman or Liston and a Mike Tyson ... it's much better to be a 9/10 puncher for power, with a 10/10 puncher for mechanics of delivery, than a 10/10 puncher who punches at 5 or 6/10 for mechanics of punch delivery.

    Much better to take off a little raw power and absolutely be spot on for precision than to swing for the fences and damage more atmosphere than you do your opponent
     
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Has Lewis said anything about which the hardest puncher he ever faced was? The guy did after all take on punchers like Ruddock, Morrisson, Tua, Bruno, Tyson and Vitaly.

    I know that Ali said that Foreman was his most powerful opponent, while I think he singled out Shavers for the hardest single punch.
     
  11. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think a young Foreman was a better puncher than Shavers
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Better or harder?
     
  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Maybe, but both Ali and Lyle disagree. It takes a while to get there, but Lyle comments here

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  14. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Harder
     
  15. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just looked this up....Ernie had a 76.4 ko% and only had 23 first round KO's not 40 like Lyle said

    George had a 83.9 ko%