Most powerfull hitter

Jimmy Young also said that Shavers hit him harder than Foreman.

 

THE Roy Williams. THE GREAT Roy WIlliams. Well, I guess you must be right.

Two great fighters who he could not stop even thought the latter was almost completely shot.

Just rewatched it. It looks to me that Shavers lands two huge hooks and an uppercut about 18 seconds into the fight. It's all over a whopping 1:30 later.

I'm impressed, just not as impressed as I am by Louis' power.

Thanks. Now I remember seeing this. Ellis is all the way washed up at this point without a meaningful victory in the past three years and none more to come in the remaining two years of his career. Sure, same with Norton both versus Shavers and Cooney. I'm just saying that the Cooney destruction is more impressive. Shavers chases him around the ring for a minute and half raining haymakers (some vicious bodyshots, ouch!) until Norton crumbles. Cooney just turns off the lights immediately and then is allowed to continue unneccesarily.

My point remains, Shavers biggest KO victories are over some gamey meat that formerly passed for near great fighters. Louis' biggest KO victories involve names like Sharkey, Braddock, Baer, Carnera and Walcott, all champions at some point. Throw in the would-have-been-champions-if-not for-Louis and you have a resume that, in my mind, makes Shavers somewhat insignificant.

 

Williams had never been stopped and was greatly respected in the ring and especially in sparring quarters. Shavers has 68 ko's in 74, if you can't acknowledge any of it i am probably wasting my time.

Almost every boxer he ever faced, including Ali, Lyle, Cobb, Young, Holmes and countless others have labeled him the hardest puncher they have ever faced. But you know better?

How disgraceful. Blind Freddy would have stopped those two palooka's.

Ali was almost unstoppable at any point of his career up to Shavers and Holmes was never dropped prone like Shavers left him.

Didn't see Shavers taking "a full round of throwing and mostly landing haymakers for an old Norton to finally crumble." by any chance? Mostly landing? Not on your life.

Are you talking in the context of the thread tho? Let me ask again and clearly

Do you consider Louis to have more singular punch raw power than Shavers if landed?

So far 25 have voted for Shavers and two for Louis.

That uppercut vs Ellis was frightening.

Ellis had 8 low quality wins in a row and had never been stiffed like Shavers did to him. He had shown no signs of a weak jaw. If you're not impressed by the pure power of this uppercut i don't think there's anything i can say or do to impress you concerning Shavers.

Norton had more left vs Shavers i'd say. Shavers had to have taken some out of Norton and he was coming into Shavers off three good outings. Realistically he should not have fought again post Shavers really.

No one is saying Shavers is an impressive fighter tho. You've taken the sheer amount of leather Shavers landed on Norton way out of proportion in this thread.

Regardless as stated previously Cooney could easily be on this list, he too is a massive puncher. Shavers is the more proven puncher.

You just won't accept the jist of the thread.

It's not about ability or resume. Obviously as fighters they can't compare, but pure power is another matter as 25 votes for Shavers points out clearly.

If Shavers landed the punches (yes we know he wasn't good enough to) Louis did vs the above he would have left them prone. Just because he wasn't as gifted as Louis doesn't mean he didn't have the same one punch devastation, more actually.

If you go start a thread on the greatest Heavyweight composite puncher your boy Louis will walk away with it. In this one however Shavers has, and should have. His ko's and what opponents have said about him make him the conscensus choice of biggest single punch in the histroy of the sport.

 

I know Williiams. A guy who used to live down the street from me sparred with him. But reason most don't know Roy Williams is that he is not worth knowing.

And Carnera, Baer, Braddock, etc... would have said the same regarding Louis. The fact is that Ali, Lyle, Cobb, Young and Holmes never ate a Joe Louis right hand. So the point is moot. And yes, I do know better.

All I am asking is for the champion level fighter that the feared Mr. Shavers stopped with his awesome power. Please tell me. I have given the list for Mr. Louis.

I see a lot of them landing. And they don't look like they feel to good but Norton remains on his feet.

So, these people have been absolutely wrong before. It doesn't surprise me.

I think you or I could have landed that punch as hard as we desired with Young draped in position to receive it. A Lennox Lewis uppercut from the same position would have decapitated him.

This is a matter of slight degrees. Both articles were decayed versions of the estimable Mr. Norton in his prime. No points won on this tangent.

I accept the jist and do not buy the hollowed, canonized version of facts that Mr. Shavers is the hardest proponent of the closed fist punch in the history of the squared circle.

Oh, but is about resume. How else to test the mettle of the fistic prowess but to measure the opponents upon which it has been presented. Tommy Morrison, Mac Foster and the like have all proven an impressive facade of championship power can be manufactured with the cooperation of the correct opponents. The fact remains that Mr. Shavers robust power was never capable of KO'ing a champion calibre fighter. Mr. Louis' power did so time and again.

I grow weary of the thread and import of this argumentation.

I bid you good day, sir. Good day.

 

Well actually he has been mentioned quite a bit in here. Ali spoke very highly of him.

Three of these guys faced Foreman, Holmes Tyson etc. We get a pretty fine idea just how hard Shavers hit when he is universally rated above them. If Louis victims ate some Foreman fire there's a fair chance they may well have been talking Foreman.

Nevertheless i have given and can give proof of these comments. Did your guys really say such about Louis or do you guess?

How does giving such a name prove anything at all?

Why does someone have to stop a guy on an X number list of ATG's? We've established Louis can get to fighters Shavers can't via skill, so what has that got to do with pure raw single punch power?

Joe Bloggs who had 3 am fights and has zero skill hits as hard as Ken Norton. He hasn't fought pro tho let alone beaten anyone so how can he hit as hard as Kenny?

Doesn't hold up sorry.

You must admit, your original comment was a crock.

:rofl

Ellis actually, but lets not let names get in our road.

But i'd disagree. Ellis looked sharp and was having by far the best of it. You and i would have been outcold long before sorry.

A Lewis uppercut may not have even done the same, actually. Regardless he too should be on a very short list of biggest hitters ever.

Regardless i think both would have ko'd him at his best. Lets call it a styles thing.

Good, you have finally and openly picked Louis as a better puncher via the thread criteria. I wholeheartedly disagree but to each his own.

Mr Louis' power landed over and over again, that's why. As said umpteen times Shavers didn't have the skill or delivery to do the things Joe Louis could.

That's because you can't/won't accept it. Your open disadain for the thread makes me wonder why you bother to open it or criticise.

Good day, sir.

 

Tyson had better timing than Earnie, and he had much sharper punches. A lot of times, sharper punches do more damage than pure force punches.

 

Give Shavers their timing and speed, and I think he would have many devasting one-punch ko's.

 

Power is the result of explosion, timing, balance and accuracy. This combination = Joe Louis.

I could go Ko every schlub down at the local bar and put it on boxrec. Would I be possessed of great KO power? The fact that Ernie Shavers did slightly better than this does not over-impress me. Joe Louis KO'd 5 world ****ing champions. THE QUALITY OF OPPOSITION MEANS EVERYTHING. Ernie could not achieve such except against less than mediocre opposition.

I win.

Good day, sir. I said, Good day.

 

Your complete failure to grasp the concept has me too, bidding, good day

:good

P.S. 25 votes for Shavers vs just 2 to Louis, given the excellence of the Classic Forum, has me feeling pretty good about who won and who lost

:happy

 

You're confusing the better fighter with better power. Power is the force of the punch, the rest of it falls into the effective punching area. Power is the force and how hard you hit. The rest is just what helps you get the KO's. If Joe Louis had the speed and timing of Earnie Shavers, he wouldn't have gotten nearly as many KO's.

Quality of opposition means NOTHING when it concerns power. Going by what you say, guys like Ali and Holmes were harder punchers than Shavers, because they KO'd better opposition. This just simply isn't the case.

 

Ok. Then I vote Ali. He KO'd Foreman, Liston and stopped Frazier. No other HW has such distinguished KO victims, so I guess Ali must be the most powerful ever. Or...

 

I am talking EFFECTIVE power, not anectodal power, not power against a bunch of overthehill b-level fighters and journeymen. If you can not see the difference, I pity your meager understanding of this sport.

That said, I respect your difference of opinion and wish you a good day. I said, good day.

 

There is only flat out power. There are different types such as clubbing, sharp, cracking, 1-punch-out cold, etc. Effective is not one of them. All power if effective, effective PUNCHES are what helps you deliver that power at the right moment.

Also, no one who fought Shavers said that anyone else hit them harder. That is saying something considering guys like Ali, Holmes, and Lyle all fought huge punchers.