Most powerfull hitter

I read somewhere that Rocky Marciano was the hardest hitter. I read he had a 400 PSI punch. I do not know where i saw or read this. Does anyone know of this or remember reading it?

 

400 PSI is very low compared to other top hitters, and I don't think where you read that was correct.

When Rocky was tested in the 1960's, they found that his punch had more force than an armor peircing bullet and that it could spot lift 1000lbs 12 inches off the ground.

 

I read somewhere that Shavers' power was 1600 PSI.. or something like that... I believe that would make him the hardest hitter ever...

And yeah, effective punching is not on the list.

 

I watched the replay Foreman KO Moorer last night. Never seen such a seemingly average punch KTFO a championship guy like that. He's definately up there. I know, I know, Moorer does'nt have the greatest chin but man, bip bip down...

 

I did not say effective punching but effective power... i.e. Joe Louis coldcocked world class heavyweights not shot old has-beens or never-was fighters (although he did do some of that also). I made the bold assertion that the quality of opponent you are putting to sleep might be a proper gauge for a fighter's power rather than highlight reels of b and c level fighters dramatically biting the dust. The power to KO an opponent includes factors of timing, punch selection, leverage and accuracy. My assertion is that Louis combined these factors along with his innate explosion to produce more EFFECTIVE power at the point of contact. And fact that a bunch of guys said Shavers hit the hardest of their opponents only means that of their opponents he hit the hardest. None of those folks ever took a punch from Joe Louis, so those statement are beyond ****ing moot in a comparison of the two.

 

Maybe you should pack up your bat and ball on this one. It's obvious you are not going to sway, and the massive majority disagree.

 

I'll admit I'm partly playing devil's advocate here. This is another of the many unanswerable questions posited on this board. But I will not take as a rebuttal to my argument that old burned out Ali said Shavers hit the hardest when Ali never took a Louis hook. That carries as much weight as Braddock claiming Louis hit harder that any hw ever. Also, I insist the distinction between pure kinetic power and applied boxing power (what I have called effective power). Lastly, I routinely challenge the orthodoxy, the supposed and assumed of that which is unknowable. In the end, Shavers may have been far less powerful than Tua, Lewis, Louis or even the great Corrie Sanders, but because he was considered the most powerful of that supposedly great heyday of the 1970's, he wins the argument. I done said it before and I will say it again, the 1970's remains the most over-rated decade for heavies, carried by fading stars who relied too much on personality and littered with underskilled journey masquerading as world class fighters.

 

Nothing wrong with challenging the norm, i do it often. Sometimes for the challenge, sometimes for the stir, sometimes to pass the time and make people dig deeper and deeper.


We'll all have to agree to disagree with you on this one obviously, and vice versa.

There's little doubt however Shavers was a murderous puncher under any power only barometer. You seem impervious to giving him any credit via any means.

Whether Ali, Lyle, Young and Holmes were hit by Louis or not, they were hit by other great punchers so we know beyond doubt that at the very least Shavers is a monstrous hitter and likely the biggest of his era. No if's, not butts, plain fact. This cannot possibly be taken away from him.

 

Not trying to take this away whatsoever. One thing about him, he seemed to hurt ever opponent he fought, even the guys who took him out in a round or two. They knew they were hit. He and Louis are proof positive you don't need to be a giant heavyweight to hit like a ton of bricks.

 

One of those guys from the 70's, Foreman, made a serious run in the late 80's-mid 90's, and even won a portion of the championship along the way.

 

Effective power... hmmm... Shavers had effective enough power to KO guys with one punch... I voted Shavers easily.

Louis may have been a more effective puncher, but Shavers had more punching power, period point blank. With one punch, he made you do funny things.

I voted Shavers.

 

Now we are talking!!!!! I could not agree more with this post, all of it. I'm more than happy to end this one here and let you go on with Heehoo, ST and co.

Now, about Sonny Liston

 

PURE POWER
Shavers/Baer
Most Effective
Louis

Up There In No Order

Dempsey
Foreman
Liston
Marciano
Lewis
Williams
Tyson

 

The effective punching is what gets the power to the right spot at the right time. The power is the same. If Joe Louis had Earnie Shavers's reflexes and timing, he wouldn't gave landed the shots he did, and he wouldn't have gotten as many KO's.

 

Right! And guys would not have gone to sleep so often. Goddamn, I've seen Louis' jab- HIS JAB- put the back of Lou Nova's head against this back. Damn near broke his neck. And just for argument's sake, Nova was better at that time than almost everyone Shavers defeated. As hard as Shavers hit, he gets that Tyson like awe for KO'ing deficient fighters. Color me not impressed.