Most reasonable p4p list right now!

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  1. BoxingCasual13

    BoxingCasual13 Watches Boxing once a year Full Member

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    >crawford
     
  2. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Usyk
    2. Inoue
    3. Clenelo
    4. Taylor
    5. Spence
    6. GGG
    7. Crawford
    8. Loma
    9. Estrada
    10. Beterbiev
     
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    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That one is murky to me as well, given Crawfords recent activity - IMO Bud is still getting by on what he achieved at 135/140 and the "eye-test"; but he has proven he can go through divisions - 3 weight champ.

    Taylor on the other hand cleaned out a much harder 140, and looked great doing it in 18 fights - more importantly for me he did it RECENTLY, but he's only a single weight champ right now - most folks seem to use division hopping as some kind of P4P insta-pass.

    Crawford could steal his spot back with a dominant win / KO of Porter when they fight, but Porter is a DAWG, we will really see what Bud is all about in that fight IMO.
     
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    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk should be #1 after Saturday. Canelo hasn't beat a P4P caliber opponent since GGG.
     
  5. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And even then... since "beating" GGG, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, pass the beef...
     
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    Canelo
    Usyk
    Crawford
    Inoue
    Spence
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    1. Oleksandr Usyk
    2. Canelo Alvarez
    3. Naoya Inoue
    4. Errol Spence Jr.
    5. Juan Francisco Estrada
    6. Josh Taylor
    7. Terence Crawford
    8. Gennady Golovkin
    9. Teofimo Lopez
    10. Kazuto Ioka
     
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    Read what i put against. If it was "clear" how come over 75% of pundits, Pro Boxers and external judges had it for GGG ?
    The fact the arena boo'd when canelo got the draw, in one of his home arenas. Just sums up how much corruption was there.
     
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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Expectations played a role in why many people had GGG winning. The narrative was that GGG was the Champ and therefore he deserved the benefit of the doubt in close rounds. (so-called Champion's advantage) Another reason was how Canelo fought, instead of taking the fight to the Champ and coming forward, Canelo outboxed GGG and made him come to him, it was said that you had to take the fight to the Champ to beat an undefeated Champ like GGG. All these reasons contributed why an apparent majority scored that first fight for GGG.

    Why the arena boo'd when the draw was announced? The answer is obvious. Because the fans wanted to see a winner. Canelo fans thought he won, GGG fans thought he won, when it was announced a draw the fans booed because they thought their fighter won. It's not uncommon for fans to boo a draw, fans want to see a winner.
     
  10. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's no truth to this theory of your whatsoever.... :lol:
     
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  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't you remember after the first fight how many fans argued Canelo didn't "take the fight to the champ"? Remember Lance, Canelo didn't fight "Mexican Style", and according to GGG fans, Canelo couldn't win by outboxing GGG and fighting off the backfoot. Instead Canelo had to come forward, he had to be more aggressive in order to win. That was the main narrative which led to the rematch when Canelo fought more aggressively and got the win.
     
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    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Usyk
    Inoue
    Juicenelo
    Taylor
    Lopez
    Loma
    Crawford
    Estrada
    Spence
    Bivol
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    ESPN's updated P4P rankings :facepalm:

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    The fact that Usyk was #9 prior to beating AJ and the likes of Crawford who was and is still #2 and a whole bunch of other fighters on that list were ranked above Usyk or still are even now :facepalm:

    Ward and Atlas still have Crawford ranked #1 :facepalm:

    Usyk is #2 at worst :facepalm:

    https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story...eover-where-do-tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-land


    Heavyweight champion Tyson Fury delivered yet another in a long line of great performances to retain his WBC belt, stopping Deontay Wilder in their trilogy fight in Las Vegas.

    Fury got up from the canvas twice in Round 4, won five of the next six rounds on all three judges' scorecards and then stopped Wilder in the 11th. With his second decisive win over Wilder, Fury moves up two spots to No. 4.

    "Fury continues to show that he's not only good, but that he's great," ESPN boxing analyst and two-division champion Timothy Bradley Jr. said. "We've always known that Fury had the mental toughness, especially after he faced Wilder the first time, went down in Round 12 and rose back up like 'The Undertaker.'

    "But what he just did on Saturday night, you don't see it often, you really don't -- maybe once every generation," Bradley continued. "His heart, his will, the skill that he possesses. He's a complete package. He has every skill set in boxing, including power, speed, you name it, he can do it all -- and he also has marketability. He can talk the talk, he walks the walk. I can make an argument for Fury to be No. 1."

    Oleksandr Usyk also made a big jump after defeating Anthony Joshua on Sept. 25 to win the WBA, WBO and IBF heavyweight world titles. The victory was enough to convince our panel to put Usyk at No. 5.

    Usyk, a former cruiserweight undisputed champion, used his jab to perfection to keep Joshua at bay in a unanimous decision victory.

    "Usyk proved he could be a dominant performer in two divisions, which to me gives even more validity in the pound-for-pound rankings," ESPN writer Michael Rothstein said about putting Usyk at No. 6 on his list. "How he handled Joshua opened my eyes as to what he could bring to the heavyweight division -- which is another potentially legitimate challenger to Tyson Fury."

    Our panel of Mike Coppinger, Timothy Bradley Jr., Joe Tessitore, Michael Rothstein, Eric Raskin, Andre Ward, Atlas, Nick Parkinson, Ben Baby, Eric Woodyard, Kel Dansby, Bernardo Pilatti, Charles Moynihan and Salvador Rodriguez share their votes.


    1. CANELO ALVAREZ  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 1
    RECORD: 56-1-2, 38 KOs
    DIVISION: Middleweight (champion), super middleweight (unified titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO8) Billy Joe Saunders, May 8
    NEXT FIGHT: Nov. 6 vs. Caleb Plant

    2. TERENCE CRAWFORD  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 2
    RECORD: 37-0, 28 KOs
    DIVISION: Welterweight (titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO4) Kell Brook, Nov. 14
    NEXT FIGHT: Nov. 20 vs. Shawn Porter

    3. NAOYA INOUE  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 3
    RECORD: 21-0, 18 KOs
    DIVISION: Bantamweight (unified titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (KO3) Michael Dasmarinas, June 19
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    4. TYSON FURY  (up)  Previous ranking: No. 6
    RECORD: 31-0-1, 22 KOs
    DIVISION: Heavyweight (champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (KO11) Deontay Wilder, Oct. 9
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    5. OLEKSANDR USYK  (up)  Previous ranking: No. 9
    RECORD: 19-0, 13 KOs
    DIVISION: Heavyweight
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Anthony Joshua, Sept. 25
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA vs. Anthony Joshua

    6. ERROL SPENCE JR.  (down)  Previous ranking: No. 4
    RECORD: 27-0, 21 KOs
    DIVISION: Welterweight (unified titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Danny Garcia, Dec. 5
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    7. TEOFIMO LOPEZ JR.  (down)   Previous ranking: No. 5
    RECORD: 16-0, 12 KOs
    DIVISION: Lightweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Vasiliy Lomachenko, Oct. 17
    NEXT FIGHT: Oct. 16 vs. George Kambosos Jr.

    8. JOSH TAYLOR  (down)   Previous ranking: No. 7
    RECORD: 18-0, 13 KOs
    DIVISION: Junior welterweight (undisputed champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Jose Ramirez, May 22
    NEXT FIGHT: Dec. 18 vs. Jack Catterall

    9. VASILIY LOMACHENKO  (down)  Previous ranking: No. 8
    RECORD: 15-2, 11 KOs
    DIVISION: Lightweight
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO9) Masayoshi Nakatani June 26
    NEXT FIGHT: Dec. 11 vs. Richard Commey

    10. JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 10
    RECORD: 42-3, 28 KOs
    DIVISION: Junior bantamweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (SD12) Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez, March 13
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA vs. Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez

    The formula
    The rankings are based on a descending points system, with a first-place vote receiving 10 points, a second-place vote receiving nine points and so on. A tie goes to the fighter with the highest ranking and then the one with the most votes at that ranking.

    Others receiving votes: Gervonta Davis (11), Gennadiy Golovkin (2).
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    How our writers voted
    Atlas: 1. Crawford, 2. Alvarez, 3. Inoue, 4. Usyk, 5. Lomachenko, 6. Spence, 7. Fury, 8. Lopez, 9. Davis, 10. Estrada

    Bradley: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Fury, 4. Usyk, 5. Inoue, 6. Lopez, 7. Taylor, 8. Spence, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Ward: 1. Crawford, 2. Fury, 3. Alvarez, 4. Usyk, 5. Spence, 6. Inoue, 7. Lopez, 8. Estrada, 9. Taylor, 10. Davis

    Coppinger: 1. Alvarez, 2. Inoue, 3. Fury, 4. Usyk, 5. Crawford, 6. Spence, 7. Lopez, 8. Taylor, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Tessitore: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Inoue, 4. Taylor, 5. Lopez, 6. Lomachenko, 7. Usyk, 8. Fury, 9. Estrada, 10. Spence

    Parkinson: 1. Alvarez, 2. Inoue, 3. Crawford, 4. Fury, 5. Usyk, 6. Lopez, 7. Taylor, 8. Lomachenko, 9. Spence, 10. Estrada

    Baby: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Usyk, 4. Inoue, 5. Taylor, 6. Fury, 7. Spence, 8. Estrada, 9. Lopez, 10. Lomachenko

    Rothstein: 1. Alvarez, 2.. Crawford, 3. Inoue, 4. Fury, 5. Usyk, 6. Spence, 7. Taylor, 8. Lopez, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Woodyard: 1. Crawford, 2. Alvarez, 3. Fury, 4. Inoue, 5. Spence, 6. Usyk, 7. Lopez, 8. Lomachenko, 9. Taylor, 10. Davis

    Raskin: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Inoue, 4. Spence, 5. Lopez, 6. Lomachenko, 7. Fury, 8. Usyk, 9. Taylor, 10. Estrada

    Dansby: 1. Alvarez, 2. Usyk, 3. Inoue, 4. Crawford, 5. Fury, 6. Spence, 7. Lopez, 8. Taylor, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Moynihan: 1. Alvarez, 2. Spence, 3. Crawford, 4. Inoue, 5. Usyk, 6. Fury, 7. Lopez, 8. Lomachenko, 9. Golovkin, 10. Estrada

    Pilatti: 1. Inoue, 2. Crawford, 3. Spence, 4. Alvarez, 5. Fury, 6. Estrada, 7. Lomachenko, 8. Usyk, 9. Davis, 10. Taylor

    Rodriguez: 1. Alvarez, 2. Fury, 3. Crawford, 4. Inoue, 5. Usyk, 6. Spence, 7. Taylor, 8. Estrada, 9. Lopez, 10. Lomachenko

    ESPN experts' poll
    First place: Alvarez (10), Crawford (3), Inoue (1)

    Second place: Crawford (6), Alvarez (2), Inoue (2), Fury (2), Usyk (1), Spence (1)

    Third place: Inoue (5), Crawford (3), Fury (3), Alvarez (1), Usyk (1), Spence (1)

    Fourth place: Inoue (4), Usyk (4), Fury (2), Alvarez (1), Crawford (1), Spence (1), Taylor (1)

    Fifth place: Usyk (4), Fury (2), Spence (2), Lopez (2), Crawford (1), Inoue (1), Taylor (1), Lomachenko (1)

    Sixth place: Spence (5), Fury (2), Lopez (2), Lomachenko (2), Inoue (1), Usyk (1), Estrada (1)

    Seventh place: Lopez (5), Taylor (4), Fury (2), Usyk (1), Spence (1), Lomachenko (1)

    Eighth place: Lomachenko (3), Estrada (3), Usyk (2), Lopez (2), Taylor (2), Fury (1), Spence (1)

    Ninth place: Lomachenko (4), Taylor (3), Lopez (2), Davis (2), Spence (1), Estrada (1), Golovkin (1)

    10th place: David (7), Estrada (3), Lomachenko (2), Spence (1), Lopez (1),
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    ^^^ ''experts'' :facepalm::facepalm: