Most reasonable p4p list right now!

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  1. Liquorice

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    Usyk
    Inoue
    Juicenelo
    Taylor
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    Crawford
    Estrada
    Spence
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  2. Serge

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    ESPN's updated P4P rankings :facepalm:

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    The fact that Usyk was #9 prior to beating AJ and the likes of Crawford who was and is still #2 and a whole bunch of other fighters on that list were ranked above Usyk or still are even now :facepalm:

    Ward and Atlas still have Crawford ranked #1 :facepalm:

    Usyk is #2 at worst :facepalm:

    https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story...eover-where-do-tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-land


    Heavyweight champion Tyson Fury delivered yet another in a long line of great performances to retain his WBC belt, stopping Deontay Wilder in their trilogy fight in Las Vegas.

    Fury got up from the canvas twice in Round 4, won five of the next six rounds on all three judges' scorecards and then stopped Wilder in the 11th. With his second decisive win over Wilder, Fury moves up two spots to No. 4.

    "Fury continues to show that he's not only good, but that he's great," ESPN boxing analyst and two-division champion Timothy Bradley Jr. said. "We've always known that Fury had the mental toughness, especially after he faced Wilder the first time, went down in Round 12 and rose back up like 'The Undertaker.'

    "But what he just did on Saturday night, you don't see it often, you really don't -- maybe once every generation," Bradley continued. "His heart, his will, the skill that he possesses. He's a complete package. He has every skill set in boxing, including power, speed, you name it, he can do it all -- and he also has marketability. He can talk the talk, he walks the walk. I can make an argument for Fury to be No. 1."

    Oleksandr Usyk also made a big jump after defeating Anthony Joshua on Sept. 25 to win the WBA, WBO and IBF heavyweight world titles. The victory was enough to convince our panel to put Usyk at No. 5.

    Usyk, a former cruiserweight undisputed champion, used his jab to perfection to keep Joshua at bay in a unanimous decision victory.

    "Usyk proved he could be a dominant performer in two divisions, which to me gives even more validity in the pound-for-pound rankings," ESPN writer Michael Rothstein said about putting Usyk at No. 6 on his list. "How he handled Joshua opened my eyes as to what he could bring to the heavyweight division -- which is another potentially legitimate challenger to Tyson Fury."

    Our panel of Mike Coppinger, Timothy Bradley Jr., Joe Tessitore, Michael Rothstein, Eric Raskin, Andre Ward, Atlas, Nick Parkinson, Ben Baby, Eric Woodyard, Kel Dansby, Bernardo Pilatti, Charles Moynihan and Salvador Rodriguez share their votes.


    1. CANELO ALVAREZ  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 1
    RECORD: 56-1-2, 38 KOs
    DIVISION: Middleweight (champion), super middleweight (unified titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO8) Billy Joe Saunders, May 8
    NEXT FIGHT: Nov. 6 vs. Caleb Plant

    2. TERENCE CRAWFORD  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 2
    RECORD: 37-0, 28 KOs
    DIVISION: Welterweight (titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO4) Kell Brook, Nov. 14
    NEXT FIGHT: Nov. 20 vs. Shawn Porter

    3. NAOYA INOUE  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 3
    RECORD: 21-0, 18 KOs
    DIVISION: Bantamweight (unified titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (KO3) Michael Dasmarinas, June 19
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    4. TYSON FURY  (up)  Previous ranking: No. 6
    RECORD: 31-0-1, 22 KOs
    DIVISION: Heavyweight (champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (KO11) Deontay Wilder, Oct. 9
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    5. OLEKSANDR USYK  (up)  Previous ranking: No. 9
    RECORD: 19-0, 13 KOs
    DIVISION: Heavyweight
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Anthony Joshua, Sept. 25
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA vs. Anthony Joshua

    6. ERROL SPENCE JR.  (down)  Previous ranking: No. 4
    RECORD: 27-0, 21 KOs
    DIVISION: Welterweight (unified titlist)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Danny Garcia, Dec. 5
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA

    7. TEOFIMO LOPEZ JR.  (down)   Previous ranking: No. 5
    RECORD: 16-0, 12 KOs
    DIVISION: Lightweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Vasiliy Lomachenko, Oct. 17
    NEXT FIGHT: Oct. 16 vs. George Kambosos Jr.

    8. JOSH TAYLOR  (down)   Previous ranking: No. 7
    RECORD: 18-0, 13 KOs
    DIVISION: Junior welterweight (undisputed champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (UD12) Jose Ramirez, May 22
    NEXT FIGHT: Dec. 18 vs. Jack Catterall

    9. VASILIY LOMACHENKO  (down)  Previous ranking: No. 8
    RECORD: 15-2, 11 KOs
    DIVISION: Lightweight
    LAST FIGHT: W (TKO9) Masayoshi Nakatani June 26
    NEXT FIGHT: Dec. 11 vs. Richard Commey

    10. JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA  (same)  Previous ranking: No. 10
    RECORD: 42-3, 28 KOs
    DIVISION: Junior bantamweight (unified champion)
    LAST FIGHT: W (SD12) Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez, March 13
    NEXT FIGHT: TBA vs. Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez

    The formula
    The rankings are based on a descending points system, with a first-place vote receiving 10 points, a second-place vote receiving nine points and so on. A tie goes to the fighter with the highest ranking and then the one with the most votes at that ranking.

    Others receiving votes: Gervonta Davis (11), Gennadiy Golovkin (2).
     
  3. Serge

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    How our writers voted
    Atlas: 1. Crawford, 2. Alvarez, 3. Inoue, 4. Usyk, 5. Lomachenko, 6. Spence, 7. Fury, 8. Lopez, 9. Davis, 10. Estrada

    Bradley: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Fury, 4. Usyk, 5. Inoue, 6. Lopez, 7. Taylor, 8. Spence, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Ward: 1. Crawford, 2. Fury, 3. Alvarez, 4. Usyk, 5. Spence, 6. Inoue, 7. Lopez, 8. Estrada, 9. Taylor, 10. Davis

    Coppinger: 1. Alvarez, 2. Inoue, 3. Fury, 4. Usyk, 5. Crawford, 6. Spence, 7. Lopez, 8. Taylor, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Tessitore: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Inoue, 4. Taylor, 5. Lopez, 6. Lomachenko, 7. Usyk, 8. Fury, 9. Estrada, 10. Spence

    Parkinson: 1. Alvarez, 2. Inoue, 3. Crawford, 4. Fury, 5. Usyk, 6. Lopez, 7. Taylor, 8. Lomachenko, 9. Spence, 10. Estrada

    Baby: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Usyk, 4. Inoue, 5. Taylor, 6. Fury, 7. Spence, 8. Estrada, 9. Lopez, 10. Lomachenko

    Rothstein: 1. Alvarez, 2.. Crawford, 3. Inoue, 4. Fury, 5. Usyk, 6. Spence, 7. Taylor, 8. Lopez, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Woodyard: 1. Crawford, 2. Alvarez, 3. Fury, 4. Inoue, 5. Spence, 6. Usyk, 7. Lopez, 8. Lomachenko, 9. Taylor, 10. Davis

    Raskin: 1. Alvarez, 2. Crawford, 3. Inoue, 4. Spence, 5. Lopez, 6. Lomachenko, 7. Fury, 8. Usyk, 9. Taylor, 10. Estrada

    Dansby: 1. Alvarez, 2. Usyk, 3. Inoue, 4. Crawford, 5. Fury, 6. Spence, 7. Lopez, 8. Taylor, 9. Lomachenko, 10. Davis

    Moynihan: 1. Alvarez, 2. Spence, 3. Crawford, 4. Inoue, 5. Usyk, 6. Fury, 7. Lopez, 8. Lomachenko, 9. Golovkin, 10. Estrada

    Pilatti: 1. Inoue, 2. Crawford, 3. Spence, 4. Alvarez, 5. Fury, 6. Estrada, 7. Lomachenko, 8. Usyk, 9. Davis, 10. Taylor

    Rodriguez: 1. Alvarez, 2. Fury, 3. Crawford, 4. Inoue, 5. Usyk, 6. Spence, 7. Taylor, 8. Estrada, 9. Lopez, 10. Lomachenko

    ESPN experts' poll
    First place: Alvarez (10), Crawford (3), Inoue (1)

    Second place: Crawford (6), Alvarez (2), Inoue (2), Fury (2), Usyk (1), Spence (1)

    Third place: Inoue (5), Crawford (3), Fury (3), Alvarez (1), Usyk (1), Spence (1)

    Fourth place: Inoue (4), Usyk (4), Fury (2), Alvarez (1), Crawford (1), Spence (1), Taylor (1)

    Fifth place: Usyk (4), Fury (2), Spence (2), Lopez (2), Crawford (1), Inoue (1), Taylor (1), Lomachenko (1)

    Sixth place: Spence (5), Fury (2), Lopez (2), Lomachenko (2), Inoue (1), Usyk (1), Estrada (1)

    Seventh place: Lopez (5), Taylor (4), Fury (2), Usyk (1), Spence (1), Lomachenko (1)

    Eighth place: Lomachenko (3), Estrada (3), Usyk (2), Lopez (2), Taylor (2), Fury (1), Spence (1)

    Ninth place: Lomachenko (4), Taylor (3), Lopez (2), Davis (2), Spence (1), Estrada (1), Golovkin (1)

    10th place: David (7), Estrada (3), Lomachenko (2), Spence (1), Lopez (1),
     
  4. Serge

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    ^^^ ''experts'' :facepalm::facepalm:
     
  5. Serge

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    Pilatti: 1. Inoue, 2. Crawford, 3. Spence, 4. Alvarez, 5. Fury, 6. Estrada, 7. Lomachenko, 8. Usyk, 9. Davis, 10. Taylor

    :facepalm::facepalm::risas3:
     
  6. drenlou

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    Ward has Fury number 2?:watchout:
     
  7. Serge

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    Serious deliberation was given by The Ring Magazine's panelists as to whether Tyson ''The Gypsy King'' Fury warrants a place in the P4P top 10

    https://www.ringtv.com/628544-ring-...eavyweight-but-doesnt-crack-the-p4p-rankings/

    Unfortunately the jury was split right down the middle and he didn't make it

    Basically their #10 Ioka who is a 115lb Japanese leprechaun held off the charge of the 6'9'' 277lb British gypsy giant Fury

    Not that I'm saying that Fury should warrant a place in the top 10 for baptizing a dosser he'd already baptized x 2 before. However, it would've been nice for Fury to become the first gypsy warrior to earn a a place in their pound for pound top ten rankings

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  8. Kell Macabe

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    ESPN is a **** ing joke.
     
  9. Kell Macabe

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    1.)Usyk
    2.)Canelo
    3.)Inoue
    4.)Crawford
    5.)Taylor