Most shameless title defences of all time

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  1. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatever the case (I’d have to look) I think it’s pretty understandable right after Frazier, & immediately before Norton.
     
  2. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Yes, it's called a handpicked opponent to stay active with next to no risk.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I am going to defend Jeffries and Johnson up to a point here.

    There was some level of public demand for these fights.
     
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  4. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roman was in the Ring top 10 at the end of 72. Hed beaten all 3 contenders he'd fought up to that point in Wepner, Daniels and Ramos. Thats about the easiest list of contenders you could fight in that era but he was generic lower top 10 guy.
     
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  5. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It seems we have two schools of thought developing here. Those looking at defenses in context, & those solely judging the opponent in relation to the title-holder. I’m of the former school of thought myself.
     
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  6. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    See my reply as above.
     
  7. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bowe had a pretty shameless run after beating Holyfield to become champ, against Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson.
     
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  8. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    So it wasn't done by anyone at heavyweight, and the bantamweight who managed had defenses against people with records of 2-10, 0-1 and 0-2 while holding the title a fraction of the time Louis did.
    From 1937 to 1948 his outstanding contenders were Farr, Schmeling, Galento, Pastor, Conn, Nova, M. Baer, Maurielo, Walcott, all of whom he beat. He only missed two number 2s Franklin and Ray which are easily explained by Franklin's KO defeat against Pastor and Ray losing the title eliminator against Walcott, who got the title fight.
    Given how many ranked fighters Louis beat, it's ridiculous to criticize him for a subpar title defense. Why should he fight Nova, Franklin and Conn back to back when basically no other champ would defend against his top contenders in that rate?
    He was going to miss Franklin anyway because Lem was ranked for all two months before Pastor defeated him.
    Weak title defenses need to be put into context. If it's used as a replacement for the leading contenders, it's heinous, but if the two top dogs get crushed back to back then there's no reason for the champ to get criticized for extra work.
     
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  9. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be fair, what would have been his next successful defense was Holyfield had he won it (he arguably did).
     
  10. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, but those two fights after the first Holyfield fight when he first became champ were a bit anti climatic I thought. I cant remember the reasoning behind it, I guess a few soft touches before taking on Lewis or Holyfield for the rematch. They seemed like pointless fights.
     
  11. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was after the Lewis contract fiasco.
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Holmes fought Ocasio who had just defeated Jimmy Young when Jimmy was still a top four fighter.
    Holmes fought Shavers who had just KO'ed Norton in one round
    Holmes fought a highly motivated Weaver who'd go on to win a title
    Holmes fought Berbick who had just thrashed top contender Greg Page
    Holmes fought Leon Spinks who just peaked with a very impressive stoppage of Bernardo Mercado
    Holmes fought Cooney and Cobb when they were in their primes
    Holmes fought Smith right after Smith destroyed Bruno
    Holmes fought David Bey right after Bey upset a come backing Greg Page

    Foreman had how many title defenses ? The character you're playing here is only mildly entertaining when you accompany it with some knowledge and not just positioned opinions.
     
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  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pedro, you're the guy who believes an active champion fighting whomever as long as the opponent has a pulse is OK, and I'm at the other end of the spectrum where I have a problem with a challenger if he lost his last fight, let alone 3 out of his last 4. And we don't seem to want to come off our perches. So its time to agree to disagree.
     
  14. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman would have had forty title defenses had he Holmes’ competition stretched out in front of him.
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The Munroe fight was poorly attended and that's why Jeffries retired, disappointed with his purse.
     
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