Most shot? Froch vs Ward or Eubank vs Calzaghe?

Froch is prime - and never been better.

Eubank was not really shot. He just got that image because people ddn't know Calzaghe and thought he had to be shot. If he was not at his best he was at least close.

 

I followed all these guys in the 90s..but I will say it doesn't matter when or how you followed them.

Calzaghe never really got any type of recognition until Lacy. Eubank was a beloved fighter in Britian at least and as mentioned correctly by Joe Average..people had to assume he was shot to lose to Calzaghe as he was the only really big name on his resume at the time. Hell, many thought he would be the only name as Calzaghe appeared to be teetering on retirement prior to the Lacy breakout.

Going back and watching the fights, or even watching them at the time, Eubank at SMW is a pretty consistent fighter. A constant without much variability. MW Eubank seemed to have more of a killer instinct but that is hard to really say for certain as he sometimes struggled to put away hurt fighters than too.

 

I'd say as a general rule this is true. However, I am also not a fan of any of the fighters mentioned in this thread, so subjectivity isn't a problem. Not to say it is with Mongoose either. He and I basically have a differing definition of the same thing. He views Eubank as not being diminished(or at least less than I do) vs Calzaghe, whilst I do.

PS-Interesting that you'd say a guy who share your viewpoint is one of the better posters. No offense meant to him, just seems like you are propagandizing.

 

-I'm a Eubank and Froch fan. Moreso than Ward or Calzaghe oddly enough. Benn is my favorite of this bunch though.

-No he isn't the only one that shares that view. At least when I'm not in troll mode. Even than I'm one of the better trolls.

 

Do you think Eubank at his peak would beaten a green Calzaghe?

Lacy was really Calzaghe's coming out party. People had to take notice. I'd say his career is a tale of 2 careers. Pre and Post Lacy(unification) .

 

You trolling now? Because you like to misinterpret my words alot.....

I didn't say he was the only one who shared your view. I said it is interesting how he would praise you, since you happen to share a viewpoint.

I also think he is an alt.

 

What was Eubank's peak at SMW? Like I said, Eubank was the type of fighter you know what you are getting. He stayed in shape and never really altered his approach.

Like Collins, Calzaghe's durability, power, and workrate is always going to be a problem for Eubank.

 

**** me there really are some seriously nasty little ****s on here who've devoted an awful lot of time to trying to discredit Calzaghe and poison others against him. The fact that they're still on here day-in-day-out spewing their lies and untruths when he's almost 3 ****ing years into his retirement speaks volumes about them and how threatened they are by his success. Honestly, some of you ****s really need to have a ****ing word with yourselves.

Calzaghe was a great fighter (a great STEROID FREE fighter unlike many of his peers) and the **** he gets on here is totally unwarranted. If you ****ing idiots knew just how badly he was plagued with injuries very early into his reign as champion (a couple of which were very much career threatening), and the effect they had on his career and performances, you'd be whistling a different tune. They were so bad he couldn't even ****ing spar for over a year, and that was not long after making the first defence of his title against Branko Sobot. I wonder how many of you knew that? All the **** he gets for the Reid, Starie, and Thornberry fights is ****ing disgraceful. Like I said he was utterly ravaged with serious injuries at the time to his elbow (of which he had to undergo surgery on prior to the Reid fight), wrist (a recurrence of an old injury that threatened to curtail his career as a teenager), and of course his always fragile hands, and yet the amount of times I've seen clueless ignorant ****s use those performances against him to **** on his ability or as to how he might've fared in hypothetical match ups against the greats is ****ing insane.

Here's a video where he gives a brief description of that time.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgQfk67LwqY&feature=related[/ame]


Regarding the Eubank being drained at the weight falsehood:

Here's footage of him shortly after the weigh the day before the fight.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrP-H55zpIY[/ame]

Notice how drained and lethargic he doesn't look. Sure looks like he struggled like mad to get down to the 12st limit. And funny how he didn't have a problem meeting the British Boxing Board of Control's stipulated check weight of 12st 7lbs the week prior to the fight, eh?

Not a lot of people know that Calzaghe actually ****ed up the weight up for that fight. He usually enters the ring about 180lbs he was so nervous fighting on such a big stage for the first time that he lost his appetite and couldn't put the weight back on, which was hardly helped by the fact that they kept delaying the time of the fight and he ended up doing almost an hour's worth of pad work with his father during the warm up. By the time he actually entered the ring he weighed a mere 172lbs and was utterly exhausted before the fight had even reached the half way point. Hence why still to this day he says it was his hardest fight. He'd never even been past 8 rounds before for Christ's sake. In fact he'd only been past 5 twice and that was against infinitely lower level caliber of opponents than the likes of Eubank. Not only was Calzaghe making an absolutely massive leap up in class that night but he was also having to do so over a distance he'd never been close to doing before.


What were your memories of Calzaghe, having fought him for your old title, the vacant WBO super-middleweight belt in '97, that started his reign?

"Calzaghe was very skilled and had quick hands. He kept his fence up behind his right leg and always punched in the clinches. When his fence was down, his punches landed from out of sight.

"Taking the a fight on a few days' notice wasn't a problem - I had done it against powerhouses like Simon Collins and Anthony Logan, guys who had looked dangerous in recent fights. Losing 20 lbs. in a week wasn't a problem - I had lost that in a few days and won world title fights.

I'm out of this festering **** hole for now.

 

:happy

 

Eubank was no longer an elite fighter when that fight occurred. Froch is clearly still one of the best.

 

This thread is so ****in frustrating.

Neither of them were shot, Eubank hadnt been at his ( awesome ) best since he nearly killed a man but was still extremely dangerous and it was an excellant win for the young Calzaghe. Its a moot point anyway, Joe proved himself eventually and then some.

Froch has never been on a prime eubank level although ive got mad respect for him and think he is a very ,very good fighter with a very watchable style. He blatantly wasnt at his best on saturday, mostly due to the top performance of ward and also he seemed to be even slower than usual, especially out of the blocks. He is 34, it is within the realms of possibilty that he's declining after several wars.


All in all, 2 very good wins for 2 excellant fighters.

How anyone can call eubank " shot " then admit they know **** all about him just sums this site up.

 

To whom are you referring?

 

No one in particular.