Most shot? Froch vs Ward or Eubank vs Calzaghe?

Do you think Collins would beat close to prime Eubank??? i dont think so!

 

My last thoughts on the subject...


The Eubank of the Calzaghe fight would definetly lose to Andre Ward..

However he would probably beat the **** out of One Eye Kessler and Froch. Froch especially..who was dropped and needed a closing round KO to defeat a past it Taylor and got outbrawled in the closing rounds by One Eye.

Would you say the never great but excellent older Kessler with one good eye...ONE GOOD EYE... is better than Eubank? lol Seriously, is this what we have come to?

 

Eubank was reigning undefeated Champion when the unorthodox and durable Collins beat him in closely contested fights.

All of Eubank's major wins over Watson and Benn were close decisions or he banked on his durability and scored come from behind knockouts. Just his style, he dropped Collins late but couldn't finish him in the first match. He pushed harder in the rematch and nearly upset Collins in his own back yard.

So yes, its quite possible. Eubank never suffered a physical decline, mentally the Watson fight effected him, and he lost some killer instinct understandably, though there is little doubt he still hit hard and looked for KOs.

 

eubank was another (gifted) UK fighter who did next to nothing to crack it internationally. its a common story with a lot of euro fighters.

you cant play 'what if' with fighters like that. they dont deserve it

 

This is coming from an American, Britian had a strong presence in the MW and SMW divisions at the time.

Eubank/Benn and Eubank/Watson were top fights for the weight class.

 

Exactly.

 

I don't know about shot, but I do know that Eubank never won another fight. Ever. Is the story now gonna be that Calzaghe ruined him?

The weight thing plays a factor, as does Eubank's inactivity and downward trend.

But his name value makes it a decent win for a young contender. Nothing more.


Froch has shown no signs of being shot. Didn't take the fight short notice. Had been fighting a steady schedule and had been winning, and is still in the game. Not a great win, but a very good win.

I love how people are now degrading Froch in order to protect Calzaghe's standing.
The shell games are ridiculous.

 

So now, all of a sudden Froch is shot now??

This funny coming from you given on how you were hating before the fight..Now all of sudden Froch is shot! What a ****ing loser!:rofl

 

As said, Eubank was not the same fighter after Watson. That was the difference between having heart and losing it.

It was ****ing painful to watch a great fighter fighting like a ***** in the ring. Totally understandable due to the circumstances but still, well gutted for him.

 

-Eubank's next fight was a close loss to the Cruiserweight Champion. He won the early rounds and dropped Thompson but suffered an eye injury...an eye injury that came into play in the rematch as well despite winning the early rounds. It helps to do complete research.

-Eubank said making the weight limit wasn't a problem, the problem was he was overconfident and wasn't expecting Calzaghe to hit him so hard early and drop him. Its so rare when fighters speak honestly and dont' make bull**** excuses...why are you doing that for him?

-That's selling Eubank short, like he's a gate keeper in the late 50s Ezzard Charles mode or in contemporary times...Sultan adding Holyfield's name to his resume.

 

This board makes me sick....I may be close to quit posting here for good.

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its clear that the americans only rate a eurobum when an american has a victory over them - froch, jirov, adamek etc


all ward did was do what dirrell and jermain taylor had already done - outbox a very limited fighter in carl froch.

 

He was certainly better than a gate keeper.

Make excuses for him? That's ironic. You you then proceeded to point out why he lost his next 2 fights at cruiser. Moral victories for Eubank don't benefit Calzaghe.

I said it was a decent win for Calzaghe, and that's what it is. It certainly doesn't carry the same impact as if Eubank had been fully prepared, had been acclimated to the weight and if he had any success immediately before or after.

The proof is in the pudding. Eubank lost fights he probably doesn't lose at his best. Collins and Calzaghe. He fought and beat 2 guys who would never have even been in the ring with him when prime and those were his last 2 wins.

I'm not saying Eubank was shot either when he fought Calzaghe, but if there were a shotness scale, Eubank '97 or '98 would certainly be further along it than Froch at this point.