Most shot? Froch vs Ward or Eubank vs Calzaghe?

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  1. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    -Nah...still have to account that Tsyzu was injured and Eubank had his physical health.

    -A fair critique of Calzaghe.

    -That's earlier in the thread. I feel Eubank gets a close decision over Froch by making it a brawl, not unlike the declinded Kessler did.
     
  2. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK.

    2 Questions.......

    1) Was Eubank at his best when he fought Calzaghe?

    2) Was Eubank at his best vs Thompson?

    EDIT: At his best, not prime.
     
  3. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No doubt about it
     
  4. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are entitled to your opinion, but I think a Eubank on the decline still has more to bring than Froch had at the time he fought Ward.

    Both very good wins, of course.
     
  5. AnotherFan

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    But still going strong :hey
     
  6. jeffjoiner

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    Eubank was never as good as Slappy backers make him out to be. Nor was he the bum Slappy haters call him. But, he was weight drained and has the best of his career well behind him when he fought Slappy.

    Froch on Saturday night was better than the Eubank Slappy fought, younger than the Hopkins and Jones Slappy fought and a more complete fighter then the Lacy and Manfredo Slappy fought.
     
  7. Lance_Uppercut

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    Curious. Where you watching Eubanks at the time? I don't mean looking up vids of him a decade later, but when he was active? Eubanks was very good in his prime. And the fact he lost 5 out of his last 9 fights should suggest something to you. He was on the decline. Not diffucult to see compared to his prime time self.

    Froch, on the other hand, put two great performances back to back with wins over AA and Glenn Johnson.

    Eubanks was easily more on the decline then Froch.
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    -Short Notice fights always deserve an * and everything must be always considered. But in the ring, he looked like the same Eubank who reigned as the Super Middle Weight Champion. Depends on if you feel that is the best Eubank or not, some clearly do not but a damn great fighter none the less.

    -No. Eubank wasn't cut for Cruiser but it was a great effort against a larger power puncher.
     
  9. AnotherFan

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    While this all might be true, should you not bring Kessler into the equation?
     
  10. jeffjoiner

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    Good call, I had completely spaced on Kessler. He was slightly better than the Froch who fought on Saturday night. IMO, Slappy's best win.

    .....and he got beaten by Ward.
     
  11. The Mongoose

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    If Froch loses twice to Bute...than moves up to Cruiser and loses twice to Huck or something. Would we look back on call this the decline of Froch? Retiring after losing 5 out of 7.

    Loses to Kessler, Ward, Bute, and Huck or somebody. And only wins over limited Abraham and old Johnson inbetween.

    Of course the truth is Froch might just come up short against these guys and a move to Cruiser would be ****ing stupid.
     
  12. AnotherFan

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    I did not watch Eubanks at the time, no. I have watched him afterwards. Thanks for your input. I was always a bit suspicous about how some fans wrote of Calzaghes win over Eubank so easily, but some replies to this thread have made it clearer, I feel. The bottom line seems to be that while Eubank obviously still was very good when Calzaghe slapped him silly he just did not shine like he once did.
     
  13. Lance_Uppercut

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    Looks more like you are doing a resume comparison then an actual comparison of two fighters being shot.

    A fighter is shot based on how they look, vs. lesser opponents. That's what tells me a fighter is shot. Losing to guys they should not have lost to.
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

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    Cool. Just so you know, my question on if you saw Eubanks live wasn't intended to diss your opinion. Just that it's much easier to gauge fighters at the time then after the fact. :thumbsup
     
  15. AnotherFan

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    Dominated, even.

    But it seemed to me that the Eubank that fought JC had more speed and power than the Froch that fought Ward. No wonder since he was always more talented and three years younger (not saying he was prime, though).