Most skilled fighter in Britain

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by gooners!!, Feb 21, 2010.


  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I agree with Gavin, Booth and Napa.

    Gavin has great movement and counterpunching, he's very well schooled and his punch technique is excellent to head and body. Luckily for him he has the physical attributes too, he's pretty fast.

    Booth is a very good all-round fighter, you couldn't really pick out anything he's bad at. He has just lacked that power to go to the next level and matured a little too late in the day.

    Napa is the most skilled defensively by a long long way and ranks high for counterpunching also. Again lacked the power, I think thats the only problem he's had. If he was hurting guys with his beautifully picked punches it would a completely different story.
     
  2. avidlemon

    avidlemon Boxing Addict banned

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    Napa woud be world class, andfeared if he had any kind of dynamite in his fists. His size by and large hsn't been an issue in terms of his progression, just his power.
    Felt sorry for him in his last fight. Showed what is wrong with british boxing these days
     
  3. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I cannot believe it took as long as this for someone to mention Haye. As much as I and others rate him, and as exciting a prospect as Gavin is, he is still new to the pro game. Haye wins this hands-down.

    Napa may be slick, but he has proven time and time again he isn't capable of performing past European class. And before anyone goes mental, I am a Napa fan.
     
  4. avidlemon

    avidlemon Boxing Addict banned

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    I agree with you, but all that has held him back is power, as he has proven often enough he can't connect, he just doesn't carry the fear factor for an opponent that he could take them out if he connected properly
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    What does that statement prove? There are so many facets to this game aside from skill that determine where a fighter ends up. It's a little more complex than that.
     
  6. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it says a great deal and proves that not going beyond Euro level shows how Napa should be judged when assessing his skills compared to every other fighter in the UK. If we were to start saying 'well, he hasn't showcased his skills against a worldclass opponent but he must be more skillful than A, B or C just because he slips punches better/ has better footwork et al' then we are pretty much abandoning a pretty good yardstick to judge someone by.

    I'm simply answering the question 'who is the most skilled in the land' and my answer is Haye; I think his case doesn't even need to be debated, TBH. I don't even see it as being close. Haye has proven the most amongst any of his British peers at a higher standard of opposition and his skills can't be disputed, IMO.
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    You know that logic can easily be debunked by the name Ponce De Leon. This is a game of complexities, you can't throw blankets over things and say a guy at this level is automatically less skilled than everybody at the level above. Skill is completely different from physical talent and mental abilities and each of those factors have many subcategories within them. Fighters can excel in one category and get further than others that are more well rounded overall. It's a matter of circumstances.

    I'm not neccessarily arguing with the Haye pick though, its a decent choice, wouldn't be my pick for 'most' skilled but he's one of them. I just don't understand that reasoning, the Haye thing is a seperate issue.
     
  8. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    i think Munroe is up there when he boxes and doesnt rely on his size, he must change trainer IMO
     
  9. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Munroe is far from skilled. He had a good chin and that is what has got him as far as he is. His skills are the worst thing about him to be honest. Chin and stamina/work rate is all he is.
     
  10. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Really awkward defense. It's a nightmare trying to land a decent punch on him. His counter punches are almost always perfectly timed. If he can take a punch he will definitely have a world title in a few years.
     
  11. MIK1000

    MIK1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kell Brook, Colin Lynes, Ian Napa, Frankie Gavin, Amir Khan.
     
  12. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    It's Haye.

    Power is a skill too.

    It has to be Haye, because he's achieved the most.

    And you can't say he's relied on much else, because his chin and stamina are pretty shitty, so to get as far as he has with these weaknesses, shows he must be very skilled.
     
  13. Smudger

    Smudger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What about El Maachi? Not saying the likes of Haye, Gavin, Groves, Munroe, Brook, Napa and everyone else mentioned aren't skilled, and El Maachi is untested, and I'm not even sure I've spelt his name correctly, just wanted to put his name forward. His unorthodox style is certainly exciting and entertaining, if not skillful.

    And another thing, does Khan not count or something? :huh
     
  14. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

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    I respectfully disagree.

    Haye has a terrible defence at times and is an awful finisher imo, infact im shocked that Haye has not paid the price more for his inability to finish the opponent with poise, he clubs away like an amateur at times, see his finish of Bonin and [url]Arthur Williams[/url]? you could say that cost him against Thompson to because he had Thompson all but out of there at one point but could not put him away and ended up getting stopped himself, now i take the point this was a long time ago and Haye has improved aspects of his game, like not being so Gun ho, but his finishing has not really improved that much, as evident in a more recent fight with Bonin.

    On Haye's defence, Haye leaves his hands low as though to tempt the opponent to lead but he is not smart enough to do it without getting nailed himself, as evident in his fights with Moremech & Mock, what i will give Haye a credit for is his countering skills, thats something he is very adept at. I wont elaborate on his balance issues.

    I take your point that Napa is not doing it against World Class opposition but i honestly do believe he would display the same skills against a World Class opponent if he had the power to take him to that level, maybe an extra 2 inch in height or reach to.
     
  15. saintsmike

    saintsmike Boxing Addict Full Member

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    David Haye, and also I obviously Khan, for "skills" alone he's superb. I also really rate Ryan Rhodes.