Most successful light-heavy against Heavyweights.

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This came up in another thread but it's interesting I think.
    To throw out a few names, early on Choynsky, McCoy, Fitz, Burns, Dillon, Levinsky, Langford (hard to know his weight a lot of the time) Greb (a middle?) Loughran, Stribling, Rosenbloom, Fox, Bivins, Conn, Moore, Harold Johnson and on to the modern days. Some might to argue Tunney, Charles, Maxim, Gibbons and many more like Jeff Clarke or Kid Norfolk.
    I think it has to be more than a one off and the fighter had to be primarily a light-heavy but might stray a few pounds over 175 because he hasn't to make weight.
    Thoughts?
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Jem Mace?

    Joking aside.

    Ezzard Charles was a force in the division, at a higher level, and for longer than most.
     
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  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I'd agree with Charles.
     
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  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And Larry Foley... and Charley Mitchell!!
    To start I'll go Fitz, Moore and Bivins.
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is a tough ask.

    Consistent sucess at HW, at world level is necesary, to be in the debate!
     
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  6. jonnyP

    jonnyP Active Member Full Member

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    spinks, beating holmes is the best win by a former light heavy beating a heavy for me as i have larry top 3 at heavy
     
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  7. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Charles beat Louis.
     
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  8. jonnyP

    jonnyP Active Member Full Member

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    my daddy beat my momma so what! larry whups joe louis
     
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  9. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While she was pregnant?
     
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  10. jonnyP

    jonnyP Active Member Full Member

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    my 'mum' has never been pregnant, im adopted
     
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  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, you weaseled your way out of that one nicely.
     
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  12. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Yeah, its Charles.
     
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  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not necessarily top, but Loughran's trifecta of Braddock, Max Baer and Sharkey is notable-two future HW Champions, and a former conqueror. Schooled giants Campolo and Impellitiere, the latter 3X. Size doesn't appear to have been much of an obstacle for him at his best, despite what may have been less than a first rate chin. At the moment he defended against Walker, Tommy and Mickey may actually have been the two best heavyweights in the world. The way he turned around his series with Hamas to even it up after such a devastating loss to commence that rivalry is stunning.

    Went down to Luna Park to beat Godoy in January 1935, then got robbed one year later of what even the Royal Albert Hall audience thought was a clear win over Farr. Wins over Schaaf (on the third try, immediately after the Baer masterclass), King Levinski 2X, Risko, Uzcudun, ect... Loughran could compete with anybody. A tremendous defense for Carnera to hang his reign on, because again, Tommy held wins over Campolo and Impellitiere going in. Primo couldn't beat him on height and reach alone, and needed championship distance stamina and conditioning to effectively impose his size and strength over the long haul. (Foreman may have been in very, very serious trouble in that situation.)

    Pastrano could also compete with the big boys, and may have given Liston far more headaches than most would commonly suspect.
     
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  14. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:
     
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  15. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Ezzard Charles- Many consider him the best LHW ever. He was also HW Champ

    Michael Moorer- WBO LHW Champ, WBO HW Champ, Lineal HW Champ (WBA/IBF belts), 2x IBF HW Champ

    Michael Spinks- Lineal LHW and HW Champ

    Archie Moore- LHW Champ, went 0-2 in HW World title fights

    James Braddock- A good LHW, HW Champ

    Bob Fitzsimmons- MW, LHW, and HW Champ
     
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