Most Technically Perfect Boxers

Yes. The best of the best got KD'd or KO'd, including Ali. So what's your point,dude?
Just go and ask Ali how Frazier managed to hit him several times with hard left hooks. Dude. :smooch

 

Explain then why you have Jones as one of the most technically perfect boxers and yet do not include Ali or Whitaker. Dude.

 

Are you able to read, dude?

What is this: ,.................

 

"..................." could mean every other fighter who ever lived. Your response to this challenge isn't enough to get you out of it.

Stick to 'trolling'. Your attempts to avoid even defending your own statements suggests insecurity.

 

I could talk for hours how Roy broke through this classic defense innumerable times, like a hot knife through a butter. What's the point in this so-called "sound technique" if it doesn't save you from getting hit and doesn't allow you to hit in return? It's useless pice of ****, when you just cover up your head, like so many Europeans do today, with their primitive style. There's no need for skill to be able to just keep your hands up and cover up during opponent's attack, anyone, who's gone to the gym for a month, can do that. It takes real skill to be able to defend oneself without high guard with both hands, by using body and head movement, blocking, parrying, catching, deflecting punches with your gloves, arms and shoulders. It takes even more skill to use footwork effectively, so that not to allow your opponent to adjust and time your movement, you have to use broken rhythms, always change direction and distance of your movement, and angles and level/height of your attacks. Something classic boxers are mostly poor at.

 

Absolute garbage.

That said, i think Jones just got caught against Tarver.He was a bit sloppy and physically slowing down.

It was hardly definitive proof of his lack of technique.

 

there were alot.gene tunney,tommy loughran,benny leonerd,carlos ortiz,willie pep,jim corbett etc.etc.thanks

 

You absolutely don't have any sense of humour.

 

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I don't think you understand what is meant by sound technique. I think you understand my argument even less than that.

Let me try once more. Roy Jones' defense was rooted in the powers of youth. Speed, reflexes, timing, distance negotiation, etc. His natural talent was extraordinary. However, his over-reliance on this was at the expense of fundamentals.

As he aged, his youthful powers diminished. When this happens, elite fighters like Duran compensate for it with skill and their mastery of technique, which comes forward as they slow down. Ali, ever the unorthodox, relied on a great chin and the heart of a lion.

The question for Jones is not whether or not he was a technician (he wasn't and perhaps didn't have to be)... but whether or not a fighter with Tarver or Johnson's style would have always gotten to him. In other words, was the root of Jones' problem age or a skill deficiency?

 

Dude!! I do if there's something humorous!

 

I think you don't follow what you say between different posts.

It's right here. Low hand is a basic technical mistake. I thought I'd hear about conditions when this is considered a mistake and when not, but no.

Despite the fact that Tarver was in no position to throw a right hand, it's still a mistake. I guess nobody explained to you that keeping your hands up always is a primitive and useless thing. You only need to lift them up when there's actual danger of such punch and when you are unable to defend against it in any other way effectively. When your opponent has his front arm fully extended in front of your body and he's leaning forward in awkward position, there is not danger of getting hit with that same hand in that particular moment, only a fool would be trying to defend against nonexistent danger instead of trying to exploit the awkward position of his opponent for his own offense.

You seem to be unable to grasp one simple fact. Classic technique was useless against Jones from 1989 up until 2003, it worked one-way only, he hit his opponents more often (usually a lot more often) than they hit him. The effectiveness of classic technique was very low against him. The only guy who gave him trouble during this time was Montell Griffin, but you can hardly call his style relying on classic technique, all that ducking low or pulling away from a punch, while keeping hands low, awkward footwork, somewhat wild rushes, all that posing, etc. While Jones' effectiveness against classic technique was brilliant, he did what he wanted, hit and didn't get hit. What's the point of having a classic technique, when you can't oppose unorthodox style like Jones's with all the classic skills of the world? It's turned completely ineffective and useless. You can make any excuses you want, cite as many boxing guides as you want, that won't change the fact. All those skills didn't work against Jones.

The 2nd fight with Tarver. Outside of that lucky left hook, Tarver couldn't land a single clean punch on Jones during the 1.5 rounds. That's as invincible as it gets, outside of that shot the Magic Man threw with closed eyes, a big no-no in the book. Technical mistake (blind punch) beat up the classic technique of throwing a left hook counter to the head with your eyes looking at the target (Tarver's head) and your right hand is guarding your chin.

 

Your useless speech about RJJ's stance IS hilarious,dude.

 

Johnson's style was that of a plod forward basic volume puncher.He had zero finesse and was not any kind of conundrum in the ring.

I think we can safely put that one down to age\being shot.

Tarver is another matter, even though i think he pretty much sucks as well.His awkward style and punching angles may have caused even the peak Jones problems.

 

Senya,roy jones couldnt carry ray leonards jock strap.....

 

Interesting discussion.

Marvin Hagler is technically perfect (or as close to perfect as you can be). Winky Wright is another one. At heavyweight Joe Louis was perfect on offensive. He wasn't so sound on defense. Gene Tunney was technically perfect defensively. Pernell Whitaker fits the bill. Willie Pep is the most amazing technical fighter I have seen (and the dirtiest).