Most Technically Perfect Boxers

I don't see Hagler as perfect at all. I see a guy who leaps at times and pushes his punches sometimes as well. I think he moved better as a righty but punched better as a southpaw.

 

Roy Jones was not technically perfect.He got away with ALOT of moves that required speed in abudance.

 

In his decline Hagler looked like he was pushing. He always threw a lot of arm punches anyway. This is why he wore people down more often than knock them out. He didn't have the ko punching technique of Louis, for example. I am not talking about punching technique per se. I am talking about my understanding of technical perfection. In his prime Hagler could slip, block, move, and punch from either stance. His jabs from either side were textbook. His right hooks and straight lefts were wicked. He was so completely dominant in the boxing department. Personally, I think he was awesome.

 

I agree. Muhammad Ali and Thomas Hearns also relied on speed more than technique. But all three are incredible just the same.

 

Here you go again, swallowing camels and straining gnats. And here I go again, casting pearls among swine. I would bet my house that you never got in the ring except to play punching bag. There is nothing at all inconsistent with what I said. When in close, it is not a good idea to have your hands dangling around your waist.

Roy Jones Jr. is a man, not a machine. Had Tarver threw a left hook the moment before he threw a right hook, he would have nailed Jones. Why? Because Jones's left was down past his waist. And that ain't good when you're in close.

Oh please. Jones and Ali were great examples of superior athletes who overcame more technical fighters. Pryor beat hell out of Arguello who was a superior technician. Who's debating that?

Styles make fights. Pryor would always have beaten Alexis. Jones always would have beaten Hopkins, at least in my opinion. Where you are dead wrong is where you assert that Jones was a superior technician or where you assert that Jones would have beaten anyone. Or that Jones was the greatest fighter who ever lived.

Only the most shameless apologist would celebrate the first "1.5 rounds" of Tarver-Jones II --and then turn around and dismiss the KO as a miracle.

 

Dude!!

 

You may be right on the money.

 

Yeah, dude. :hat

 

"you absolutely don't have any sense of humor."

 

Just go laughing in the cellar.

 

Holly Mims
Joey Giardello
Harold Brazier
Genaro Hernandez
James Toney(ask Iran Barkley)
Bernard Hopkins
Joey Archer

 

Willie Pep
Gene Tunney
Benny Leonard
Irish Joey Archer
Ken Buchanan
Schoolboy Bernie Friedkin

 

What does that mean?

Next time you respond to me, do so intelligently or don't do so at all.

 

Seeing Vilomar Fernandez getting mentioned here is great...

I used to train with him up at Fort Apache in the Bronx years ago (we got free tix to the Arguello fight!) and even got a few personal tips from his manager/trainer Pete Miranda...

Vilomar is the only guy I have ever witnessed, besides Benitez, who actually slipped body punches...

 

Sound technique is the ability to not get hit flush and come back with a counter...

Quicker reflexes and quicker feet will allow anyone to do that... ask Naseem Hamed, Howard Davis, Herol Graham... until they slow down a tad, or meet someone almost as fast and with the correct antidote...

That's what Roy shoulda been doing instead of leaning back with head straight up in the air after jumping back and landing on straight legs... the textbook way would've been to stay low and step back in the hook position after throwing that right hand... Tarver's left would've flew overhead and Jones hook would've smacked into Tarver's jaw.

Then, what is your idea of a classic boxer?????

I take it you don't think Whitaker, Hearns, Leonard, Robinson, Charles, Louis, Toney or McCallum are classic boxers?

To put it simply... Roy Jones' technique was INEFFICIENT... It was never the best way to defend yourself or mount an attack. But he had such superior speed, reflexes and athleticism over his opponents as to make it moot.

When you pull back from shots, sooner or later someone's gonna catch you by stepping in twice before throwing. It's how Tarver landed and it's how Rahman KO'd Lewis. Whether they planned it or not is up to conjecture, but the fact that they landed is because the recipients were at huge technical fault. And if Jones continues fighting, it's likely to happen again now that he's not overwhelmingly faster than his opponents.

Another thing to watch with Jones is the lead left hook. When it lands, it's great, but it's also a potential recipe for disaster because if the opponent anticipates it, you can easily run flush into the counter...