Most Technically Perfect Boxers

Ezzard Charles
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Pernell Whitaker

 

I don't know about Buchanan... he kept his noggin' way up in the air when jabbing, lunged with his right, and slapped with his hook. And he ducked way low from punches that should have been slipped within inches.

But he had a brilliant set of legs that glided him in and out of range like he was on roller coasters.

Other than that, I don't know if you could give him high grades for being "technically perfect".

 

Billy Graham and Frankie Randall were also brilliant technicians...

 

Sound technique didn't work against Jones. It did work against guys like Ali or Hamed, though, multiple times, and before they slowed down.

Hamed was 27 when he fought Barrera, nobody slows down at such age, and Barrera was hardly a speedster. Davis was 24 when he fought Ferndandez (close fight) and Watt (far from being speedy), and was knocked down multiple times long before he slowed down. Graham was 26 when he faced Kalambay and 29 when he faced McCallum, also not the age when you slow down yet, and McCallum wasn't very fast. Jones had no problems with classic fighters until he was 35 years old, even though he started showing signs of slowing down back in 2000-2001 (31-32 years old).

If you didn't get it, that's exactly what Jones has been doing a lot ever since he turned pro. Each and every thing, in every fight, showing all these things many times in each fight.

Step back with which foot? Where did you see people standing face-forward stepping back with left foot and throwing a left hook at the same time? If you want to say he had to step back with right foot (turning clockwise), then that's exactly what he shouldn't have done, as he'd open himself for left hook counter that way. I don't know where you were reading such books that give such advices, but my advice would be to put them all together and burn them all.

My idea is Jones never had any problems with classic boxers until he turned 35 years old. You can look it up what happened with all these boxers at 35 years of age:

and see how their "classic boxing technique" helped them at such age against making lots of mistakes that caused either losses or very close fights against even not very great opposition.

Whitaker: 32 years old vs Rivera, 33 vs Hurtado, DLH, Pestryayev, 35 vs Trinidad.

Hearns: 29 vs Barkley I, 30 vs Kinchen and Leonard, 32 vs Hill (close fight) and Barkley II, 35 vs Delgado.

Leonard: 27 vs Howard, 32 vs Lalonde, 33 vs Hearns, 34 vs Norris.

Robinson: 21 vs Servo (SD10) and Wilson (MD10), LaMotta fights, 24 Basora (D10), 25 Levine and Bell, 26 Abrams (SD10), 27 Docusen and Brimm, 29 Dykes and Mimms, 30 lost to Turpin, 31 lost to Maxim, 33 lost to Ralph Jones and SD10 with Lombardo, 34 vs Castellani (SD10), 35 lost to Fullmer.

Charles: too many to list, 30 lost to Walcott twice, 31 Layne, 32 Valdes. Johnson, 33 Marciano I, 34 Marciano II, Holman, 35 Andrews, Jackson twice, Hall, Albright, Johnson, Bethea.

Louis: 25 Godoy (SD15), 27 Conn I, 33 Walcott O, 34 Walcott II.

Toney: too many to list, he turned 35 in 2003.

McCallum: he was 35 when he drew and lost to Toney, before that there were Kalambay twice, Graham, Curry was ahead on points, McCrory (close fight).

To put it simply... Their technique was INEFFICIENT that they had a LOT more problems in their fights up to being 35 years old (usually long before that), that Jones had. Now try to explain to me what would be the advantage for Jones to using classic technique, to get more troubles for himself like the above fighters did?

Watch the replays again! He didn't pull from shot, he was doing everything by the book, whereas Tarver was doing his move contrary to the book (started throwing the punch while not seeing his opponent, and continued throwing it while his eyes were still shut, and stepping forward and to the right which is missing from any text book).

The fact is you have not watched the replays before making your claim, it's as simple as that. I already proved Stonehands wrong on his 4 false claims, but people don't learns from others' mistakes.

When exactly, which fights and rounds did somebody catch Jones with anything serious on his lead left hook?

 

You proved nothing, ding-dong. You lost that debate as you have every other and were left alone in a corner drooling over your Roy Jones fantasies.

Boxbible, if you want to bother with this trite ignoramous, prepare yourself for irrationality and circular reasoning. You may find, as I have, that it is distasteful to watch a man engage in masturbation with thoughts of another man swimming in his head.

 

I showed you screenshots that proved you wrong on two points and explained to you where you were wrong on two other points. It was easy to do, because all you came up with was a poor-quality youtube that was lacking the replays that were relevant to the claims you made. You were the one who lost the debate and ran away instead of admitting that you forgot to look up the replays before you claimed anything on the matter. Case closed, everyone can go home.

 

Willie Pep wasn't technically sound - he was an innovator, an inventor of moves. He didn't read the textbook, he wrote his own.

 

You did nothing of the sort, Senya-Roy. In fact, I closed the debate. It is you who have failed to answer a question that was posed to you several times about the flaws in Roy Jones' style.

It is not reassuring to see that your faulty logic and ignorance about boxing is not limited to your man-love for Roy. Your debate with JT about Hearns' power is also indicative of your goofy mind.

 

You were trying to cover up for your false claims by attempting to move the discussion to other points that were irrelevant to the points we were discussing (which you made without even taking time to look up the replays).

 

You hang yourself with your own rope for the second time in this rout.

It is plain to see that Jones' left hand is too low, and at the moment of impact Jones is standing flush with his left foot inside of Tarver's right.

You lose. Again.

Go review the tapes in your shrine. Explain to me what mistake(s) Jones made in round 11 of the rubber match that saw him knocked drunk.

 

I don't understand Senya, how can you argue that Jones was showing correct technique against Tarver? He had his hands down and got caught with a big hook its that simple. If he was following the textbook he wouldn't have been hit that hard and flush, he would have avoided it by ducking or slipping or rolling or having his hand up. That Tarver may have been doing something unorthodox does not make up for the fact Jones showed a flaw in technique, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

 

He certainly didn't get his jab back fast enough to where it should have been, but in fairness Tarver really did time his counter bigtime.

 

That's the proof that your education is set on a very low level.


BTW, Ali wasn't technically perfect at all.

 

Golly, how'd yah no?

No one said Ali was technically perfect. I did say that he relied on a good chin and sheer will as the seventies got late.

 

It was low because there was no danger whatsoever from getting hit with Tarver's right. He could only hit with his elbow, that's the only way.

Quote me a book which says, "You have to have your left foot outside of a southpaw's right foot 100% of time, if you don't do that, that's a technical error". Until you do that, you have done nothing to back up your claim. When Jones was throwing a right, his left foot was outside. After Tarver stepped forward and to the right, the only way to keep his left foot outside would be to step back and to the left, but you can't throw a left hook that way, it's nearly impossible, and even if you attempt to do it, you won't be able to generated any power in your punch at all, it will have same much power as a small girl's slap.
Jones saw that he could deliver his counter faster than Tarver could deliver his left, he moved his weight on right foot, put his right glove next to his chin, pulled his left hand back, pivoted his body clockwise and threw the hook, but due to Tarver's weird movement missed the chin and hit the neck instead. All the while keeping his right in normal guarding position.