Most Unbeatable Fighter At Each Weight

Foster in his prime controlled the fight against everyone he fought excluding the heavyweights that were just too big and strong for him. His jab, timing, reach, etc. Jones would be in against a guy who was better on the outside. For RJJ to land he would have to go inside, where he has never proven to be that good. He'd frustrate Foster for a few rounds, but after the 3rd or 4th, Bob would be in control and it would only take one clean punch from Foster to end it.

Robinson was just as good as Roy on the outside IMO, better jab, footwork was at least as good as jones', and keep in mind that the vast majority of Robinson on film is him at 160, not 147. There are fighters that could force an inside fight with Jones, and he was far less prepared for that than Robinson, which is why I'd take Sugar for the P4P best H2H.

Charles only weakness was his chin, which was solid, but not great, where as he was virtually great at every other attribute. Duran-Leonard II is a puzzle, becuase Roberto showed on several occasions that he could very well cope with tough situations (DeJesus I, Barkley, Hagler), and while excuses are only excuses, anyone who knows Duran could tell that he was not the same that night as he was before. It's his fault for blowing up in weight, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he was not in the best of conditions.

All said, RJJ does rank very highly H2H, but he is not the best IMO.

 

I generally think Robinson is a bit overrated at long range. Mid range was his territory from the film we have, and I haven't seen many do the deed better there, especially in terms of combination punching.

 

that was the same Pacquiao that was outboxed by Marquez for most of theyre first fight.

 

Yes, but I don't think Jones was any more effective on the outside than Robinson when he was there. Maybe slightly, but I don't see a big difference in what each could do there.

 

I think Jones was one of the best long range fighters ever personally. He was just too damn quick and calculated to get anything going against, unless you had clear advantages in certain areas like Foster would.

And I see you got that avatar up. Great pic.

 

Well, I disagree that Foster would be able to control the tempo against Roy on the outside, but can't go much further than that.

To me Robinson's greatest advantage over Jones was his chin, and just don't see him being better to the outside.

I agree with Sweet Pea that Robinson was a midrange fighter and don't believe his outside fighting was equal to Jones.

 

Duran would kayo him in 8 rounds!:!:

 

He was one of the best, but in most of the footage of Robinson he is at mid-range, because that is where he was most effective. When Robinson was at long range, I think he was roughly just as good as Jones. Not quite so quick, so he was more than likely easier to hit, but he jabbed much more and got more leverage on his shots while on the outside. Roy may have been better, but I don't see them as leagues apart overall on the outside.

As far as the avatar goes, I was totally serious when I said Robbi is now my favorite poster on this site. I remember seeing this pic like 5 or 6 years ago before I was really into boxing, and I had recently seen it in a book about Ali. It might be my favorite photo related to boxing I've ever seen, and I was looking for it for days but couldn't find it until Robbi posted it.

 

I haven't seen the picture before. Give me some background.

 

PBF - Corrales
PBF - Gatti

 

It's Ali walking with his daughters at his training camp in Deer Lake, where names of former champions significant to Ali, like Robinson and Joe Louis, were painted on boulders. As you can see he's walking by the boulder with Sonny Liston's name on it.

The picture says so much for me, Liston's persona still looming in Ali's life, Ali walking past it as he goes on to do more, etc. Most of the pictures you get when you type in Liston's name are photos of him losing to Ali, this is the only one with both involved that the first person I think of is Liston and not Ali. The enigma that Sonny Liston is, all the mystery surrounding him. I can't really explain anything else about why I like it so much, but I have to say it's my favorite boxing-related photo.

 

mayweather cs coralles. chico was undefeated and favorite in that fight too

 

goes to show you even unbeatable fighters can be tested when they consistantly fight the best opposition.

 

Yep, that's a huge picture. Very solitary. Past all of the talk, I believe Sonny Liston did impose himself on Ali in a way that none of Ali's other opponents ever did. The fearsomeness of Liston woke up a young Ali to the fact that Boxing is more than a sport. Ali needed Liston in order to become the man he did, with tremendous mental strength. Overcoming Liston allowed Ali to not fear Foreman.

 

Yeah, the photo shows to me Ali recognizing what you said, and paying homage to Liston in a way.

But anyway, were messing up the thread by getting off topic (but I enjoyed talking about the photo).