I’ve counted it several times and it’s just inside 10 seconds. The ref pulled McClellan off as Benn was sitting on the bottom rope and falling through it didn’t make any difference. Benn got back in the ring unaided clearly badly hurt with plenty of time left in the round yet McClellan couldn’t finish him off, by the end of the round Benn was fighting back. I know McCLellan’s your hero Mark and Benn’s a British middle which you seem to have issues with but give him a bit of credit here, how many fighters came back against McClellan in those circumstances.
I actually feel Benn was winning the fight when it was stopped, I just feel Benn could be stopped by elite fighters at 160 and 168, I feel Hagler in his prime would have stopped and a prime Mugabi too.
This won't be popular, but Canelo has an excellent chin in my opinion Meldrick Taylor also gets overlooked I don't like ranking heavyweights in the discussion of weak chins as pretty much any shot can KO or hurt anyone on any given night in that division, even the absolute undisputed Iron chinned ATG's like Ali were hurt and out down, it's just too tough to survive big shots in that division unless you're a freak like Chuvalo. Big time respect for HW's who can avoid being KO'd or knocked down often
Well that’s outrageous Mark saying Hagler stops him! On that basis Benn must have a dodgy mandible! Would Mugabi survive Benn?
Some underrated or overlooked chins in my opinion. Pinklon Thomas Tim Witherspoon Mike McCallum Dwight Muhammad Qawi Ray Mancini Marlon Starling Azumah Nelson Kelly Pavlik
Holmes was easier to hit than Ali, and made a lot less of an effort to avoid punches than Ali did. Ali was in perpetual motion. Always dancing, slipping and rolling, clinching, and covering up. Holmes, though a great boxer, was either standing flat-footed or dancing. I've watched a lot of Holmes, and in his prime, I can't really recall seeing Holmes tie somebody up or slip and roll punches. Because of all of this, Holmes got resistance in some form or fashion from Shavers (2x), Norton, Weaver, Berbick, Spinks, Snipes, Cooney, Witherspoon, Smith, and Williams, to name the most prominent, but certainly not all of them. Many of you consider Ali's prime to be in the 60s exclusively, but nearly every tough Ali fight you can name off the top of your head came in the 70s: Bonavena, Frazier (3x), Norton (3x), Foreman, Shavers, and Spinks. I'll admit, comparing Holmes and Ali in this regard is a fine line to walk, but I choose to walk on the Holmes side. Again, I don't necessarily think Holmes was tougher than Ali, I just think it was more tested.
Ali took tons of punches off Frazier in their first and third match-ups and the left hook he took in the last round of that bout was devastating, plus the most powerful fighter to hit Holmes was Shavers and Shavers rocked Ali with some devastating punches without flooring him, after that bout scars were found on Ali`s brain and his speech and hand movements began to slow dramatically.
I recall saying that Frazier gave Ali hell. Actually, I was more generous, saying that he gave Ali a tough fight every time. Yet, you say this as if I was accusing Ali of having no chin, or even just a mediocre one.
He also got dropped twice by Glenwood Brown in his last title win at 147. His team was probably cashing out on him when they had him go up to face Terry Norris. He declined very fast, from the punishment he took in fights (particular Chavez) and probably Philly gym wars. Just look at him in March 91’ when he beat Aaron Davis and then October 92’ when he lost to Espana (who was always going to be a terrible matchup for TNT. It was so drastic.
On one hand you talk about Ali being perpetual motion etc then on the other you say nearly every tough fight Ali had was in the 70's. Well Ali was hardly perpetual motion in the 70's Will. As a matter of fact he took plenty of punishment and usually dished out more. I can sort of see what you are trying to say. You (IMO) are saying Holmes was pushed to the brink more than Ali because he ended up in more trouble more often and had to come back from it. This would be a fair point on it's own. On this note you could say any amount of fragile chinned guys who usually came back to win were super proven as well. You could say Holmes was more proven than Tex Cobb who was the most durable heavyweight of his era at his best as Cobb simply shrugged everything off for years and to the naked eye didn't have to struggle as much. On a standard note however Ali was far more proven as he shipped 40 odd rounds of Joe Frazier who pounded both the body and head at an ATG level with sickening intensity and relentlessness all the way to the finish. Then you have Ali shaking off blows from Liston (1) and Foreman, two ATG punchers/fighters. Foreman hit him to the body with shots that would have felled a horse and there was Ali dissing him. The A list (as opposed to the previously mentioned A+'s) was also ridiculous in it's strength and depth. Holmes went life and death with an aging Norton and Ali fought him at his peak three times. He was hell for boxers like Holmes and Ali. Then you have the Bonavena's, Patterson's, Quarry's, Ellis, Lyle, Shavers and countless other good fighters. Not only is Ali's record ridiculously heavy at the top but it is also ridiculously heavy below that as well.