Most underrated/overrated thread.

OVERRATED:

ODLH-has NEVER won a big fight against fighters who were the same age or younger, and who were also the same size. Should beat PacMan unless the fight is fixed or he is completely shot; Great way to earn his first "W" in a "big" fight.

Void Gayfeather-beat Gatti, Baldomir, Judah, and a faded crossdress and now he is one of the greatest? Will always be remembered as the clown who retired rather than face very good competition.

Winky Wright-beat a smaller SSM and a disinterested fighter in Tito. Besides that, who has he beaten impressively.

Yawn Guzrun-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!

Borenard Hopkins-20 titles defenses against perhaps the weakest era in middleweight history. Oh, and he doesn't care if boxing fans hate it if he hugs his way to a 12 round snoozer.

Arturo Gatti-When he didn't have a size advantage, he would almost cetainly get plastered.

Kermit Cintron's punching power.

Zab Judah=mental midget.

UNDERRATED:

Juan Manuel Marquez-Doesn't get the credit he deserves although that is finally changing.

Joshua Clottey-Perhaps not a great fighter, but is capable of beating any welter out there.

Paul Williams-Same as above.

Chad Dawson-will prove me right against Tarver (I think :think ).

 

Povetkin is definitely underrated. People can mock his manboobs, but he throws an insane volume of punches so he's clearly in fighting shape. He has good technical skills and variety, defence could do with some work. It's a shame he'll be underrated even further when he loses to Wlad. I think he beats any other HW out there.

Dzinziruk stuck over in Europe unable to display his skills to a larger audience, completely impossible to market with his lack of German/English language skills and fighting style. Probably gone slightly past his best now too.

Kessler still gets the Robo Dane treatment. Facts are he actually lost 116-112 to Calzaghe and had his moments, before that losing less than 10 rounds in his career.

Adamek has been reborn at cruiser, and gets not a mention.

Alexeev is one of the best, if not the best prospect in boxing. Not a mention, compared to Gamboa, Khan:-(, Berto etc.

 

Well, I actually meant since picking up the belt - or at least in my own mind.

I counted 3 against Mundine, maybe 1 against Siaca. Infact, I don't think I'm far wrong anyway. Watch some fights, see how many you find for his opponent.

He's dominant, whatever is said about the competition.

 

Its much more but this comes to mind in my opinion

Overrated
-Calzaghe Resume
-Gatti
-Vitali Klistschko fight against Lewis, yet people ignore the damage lewis caused by opening the cut.
-Haye
-JCC
-Manny steward as a trainer in a sense that he does not teach his fighters to attack the body
-The fact that some say mosley is a lock at the HOF (I'm not saying he isnt) but at the same time his resume is real thin.

Underrated
-Glen Johnson
-Quintana
-Taylor
-Williams victory over Margarito
-The fact that Margarito has fought cotto, williams, clottey, and cintron in a span of 2 years and is 3-1 against them
-Its hard to say because I havent seen him train other fighters but evangelista cotto making miguel cotto more of a boxer and defender (at the same time miguel cotto deserves credit in that aspect).
-James Toney

 

Agreed! :thumbsup

 

• I disagree with about every one of these with the exception of Jack Dempsey

 

Ponce De Leaon is very ovverated and I believed that before his lose.

 

Aaron Pryor: great jr. welterweight, but his resume is weak for someone who gets rated as highly as he often does. Some decent contenders, old Cervantes, still very formidable Arguello who peaked 2 divisions lower. People criticize current fighters like B-Hop, DLH, and PBF non-stop for beating guys moving up in weight or aging, yet Pryor so often gets worshipped. For Christ's sakes, when a thread is brought up on his standing, you see more than one clown say he's a top 15 fighter EVER. :roll: People yap on and on about how Leonard "ducked" Pryor because Pryor challenged him at a press conference. Big deal, everyone calls out the big names. A champ has no obligation to fight champs of a lower weight division.

Teddy Atlas: his one shining moment as a trainer is how he allegedly willed Michael Moorer to the HW title over Evander Holyfield. Nevermind the fact that Moorer barely even listed to him after Atlas begged him to fight harder, even prompting Jim Lampley to say "Moorer's gonna get another scorching in the corner from Atlas" because Moorer was doing more sleep-walking. Moorer showed way more passion and heart with trainers before Atlas (Stewart fight with Manny, Holyfield II with Roach). What other notable success did Atlas have as a pro trainer?

Vitali Klitschko: I've never seen a fighter who gets more credit from losing his biggest fights. Somehow to a lot of his fans, the ability to be durable and finish the fight isn't a quality in a prize-fighter. His resume of wins compared to other top HWs of this time period is weak.

Hagler-Hearns: great first round, afterwards Hagler kicked Hearns's ass. Maybe its because I didn't have the good luck to watch it live (then again, the same goes for a lot of my all-time favorites), but it'd be lucky to crack my top 30 ever.

Gatti-Ward trilogy: Great first fight. Okay one-sided rematch, good one-sided rubber match. Too one-sided, and the 2nd best fight of the trilogy (rubber match) wouldn't make my top 5 for either Gatti fights or Ward fights.

Shane Mosley's lightweight reign: Weak opposition. If you don't have the benefit of being in a talented division, at least you can beat the top guys at the time in the division. Mosley neither beat strong opposition nor beat the top lightweights at the time.

 

Overrated:
Roy Jones Jr. (Prime)
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (Welterweight)
Floyd Mayweather Sr. (Trainer)
Lennox Lewis
Oliver McCalls' Chin


Underrated:
Miguel Cotto (Post Margarito)
Rafael Marquez
Israel Vasquez
Nate Campbell
Larry Holmes
Riddick Bowe

Just a couple...

 

I pretty much agree with almost every word of this post.

Pryor benefits from a definite double standard, mainly because he was so exciting and fun to watch, and his reputation as a fearless "badass". Yet he dominated a weak-ish division, had only a few big fights (against aging and/or blown up Hall of Famers), and a relatively brief "prime". And he gets off the hook for his loss to Bobby Joe Young, in which he basically quit, when still at a relatively young age and with not an exceptionally large amount of fights under his belt (only 30 or 40?). I can easily see another fighter in his place getting criticized up the ass for all that and more.

Teddy Atlas was his own creation IMO. He made a name for himself by embarassing his fighters on live TV, but nevermind that he accomplished virtually nothing with that approach. He just happened to be in Moorer's corner when he was given a bullsh*t decision over Holyfield, and that's his claim to fame. And as you said, Moorer never actually followed Atlas' infamous "advice" and continued to give away rounds after that. Moorer then went on to be flattened in his next fight by the oldest fighter ever to win a title, a fight that everyone expected him to win easily. Also, look at how Atlas ruined Michael Grant by throwing him in with an unbeaten McCline in his first comeback fight after Lewis - in other words, doing exactly what he had criticized Grant's previous trainers for doing.

 

Prior to the Calzaghe fight Kessler had never lost ONE single round on all three judges cards. In terms of majority round scorign he had lost 3 rounds in total his entire carreer - not since becomeing champion, but his entire carreer....

Yes, it is true.

 

i dont see how kessler is underrated. He has only ever fought 1 truely top fighter and lost. If he'd graced las vegas and beat a top fighter then perhaps he'd be underrated

 

I think you are being a bit harsh on Vitali Klitschko - but see where you are coming from in that his biggest wins are against fighters of the calibre of Herbie Hide, Danny Williams and Larry Donald.

Though he was giving Chris Byrd a pretty bad beating for most of the fight. I must say I disagree with those that say he would have beaten Lennox Lewis - wrong. Lennox was barely warmed up by the time he nearly cost Vitali his eyesight :deal