Most underrated turn around in heavyweight history

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    What point are you trying to make when you keep posting this clip?

    You're great chok, but these kinds of posts are junk.
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I just dont think Rahman gets enough credit for this. I can think of champions who were knocked out on the way up like Dempsey, Schmeling, Sharkey, Joe Louis, Walcott, Charles, Bruno, Coetzee so there is no shame in it.

    but So far as I know nothing was as spectacular as this.

    He was lucky he did so well after something like this. What strength of character it must have taken.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    I can't see the clip. For some reason it just links to empty youtube.
    Is it the Raham-Maskaev fight?
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes it's the moment of the knockout with the added bonus of seeing Steve smoger being hit with a flying chair.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Rahman did well to come back from that loss, yes.
    But he went and lost the 2nd fight with Maskaev in exactly the same fashion !
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I know, Talk about ironical!

    Still a huge turnaround. Patterson and Lewis rightly get credit for winning back their titles by knockout (after losing by knockout) in back to back rematches, which is huge, but for an unproven prospect who is not a champion to go from this kind of crushing defeat to knocking out the best heavyweight on the planet is some upset feat.
     
  8. Dubblechin

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    John Ruiz came back from being stopped in 19 seconds or so by David Tua to win the WBA title a couple times and make a handful of defenses.

    David Haye came back from getting stopped by Carl Thompson at cruiserweight to become the lineal cruiserweight and WBA heavyweight champion.

    Michael Bentt got knocked out in his pro debut in the first round and became the WBO heavyweight champ.

    Frank Bruno got knocked out by Bonecrusher, Witherspoon, Tyson and Lennox Lewis before winning the WBC title.

    Mike Weaver got beaten or stopped more than half-dozen times by mostly nobodies before winning the WBA belt.

    Bruce Seldon got knocked out twice before winning the WBA title.

    Schmeling got knocked out a couple times, including a second-round KO loss to Larry Gains before winning the world title.

    Jim Braddock lost to everyone before he won the title.

    There were a lot of guys who overcame to win.
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes I agree with all of this. However, would you say Ruiz made the same impact as knocking out the real world champion when John finaly lifted just the WBA title on points four years later?

    Rahman was champion in just 17 months from disaster.

    It's kind of the same kind of thing with all the others they went on a roll of high profile wins or had already lost world title challenges.

    Nothing has the shock value as Rahman knocking out an all time great just 17 months after his disaster.

    It's unique.
     
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  10. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure what the link was intended to show (as it isn't leading me to any particular clip). Judging by what I'm reading, this is simply about 34-2-0 managing to get a KO victory over Lewis. If so, I'm not seeing the big deal, here.

    Had Rahman shown some consistency at world-level, after his setbacks against Tua and Maskaev, then perhaps he could be lauded over, as having turned his career around emphatically. Unfortunately, as the Lewis rematch shows (along with several other losses, after that), Rahman had had one of those rare nights of success, in April '01, that he would never again replicate.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    Ditto.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Not seeing the big deal?
    Ring Magazine had this knockout as honourable mention for their knockout of the year. How many victims of a knockout of the year type knockout go on to beat the best Heavyweight on the planet? I think it's an incredible over looked comeback.


    I think losing the rematch to Lewis in a spectacular way totally overshadows what he achieved in the first place which I think was monumental to start with.

    There's nothing wrong with Rahmans beating Lewis being a one time deal. After all, much more of a fuss is made of Jimmy Braddock merely outpointing Max Baer. Why not Rahman? He didn't just outpoint Max Baer, he knocked out a better champion.

    Jimmy went on being remembered as the greatest Cinderella story even though he sat on the title for two whole years, avoided Schmeling, got a piece of all future championship fights (win or lose) written into his contract before facing Joe Louis then getting knocked out by him in his first defence.

    Rahman beats a better champion by knockout (after being a Ring Magazine knockout victim of the year candidate just 17 months previous) and nobody credits him just because he lost the return and continued fighting as a so-so contender?
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Jimmy Braddock was a "feel good" story for all the men in America who had been through (and were continuing to go through) a really rough time due to unemployment of the Great Depression. That's passed into boxing lore.
    His fight with Baer was actually awful. Baer just gave the title away.
     
  14. choklab

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    Yes that's what I mean, the Braddock v Baer fight was awful. The sports writers of the day did an incredible job coming up with that angle for Braddock. Without the Cinderella hype I doubt that fight could have sold. On the face of it Jimmy was simply a veteran on a bit of a run. Nobody was working so hard to sell Rahman after he knocked out Lewis.
     
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  15. Man_Machine

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    No I'm not.


    Yes - Rahman's victory over Lewis was a huge upset. The result of the return wasn't; neither were the results of Rahman's next few bouts, after that.


    If you want to draw those parallels, be my guest. I don't see the comparison, myself. At the time Braddock faced and lost to Loughran, he was about to embark on a four-year streak, during which he'd win 10 or 11 bouts from 30-plus contests - before then going on to win the world title, less than a couple of years later. Braddock even getting a title shot was an upset.