Most Unfairly Treated Fighters Of All Time?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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  2. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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    Tyson got treated like **** by alot of the people managing his career, mainly Don King
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, Tyson was stupid; a Tim Witherspoon got screwed by DKP...
     
  4. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    so far the best answer i heard (at least in terms of explanation) is schmeling

    love seamus' rebuttal of whitaker as well
     
  5. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Langford, Burley, Liston.
     
  6. Conn

    Conn Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    probably a thousand guys we've never even heard of
     
  7. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    your an idiot if you think the Chavez fight was close
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Come on now guys,..the answer to this thread question is Jimmy Young.
     
  9. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HERE...

    Bert Gilroy the Scots-Italian middleweight, real name Antonio Rea.

    Gilroy was a dual Scottish Champion, middle & light-heavyweight 1938-50.

    He was the UK's leading contender No. 1, 1939-48,
    and official challenger to both Jock McAvoy, British middleweight king, 1933-44, and to British & Empire's World light-heavyweight Champion, Freddie Mills, 1942-50.

    Mills later unified the World title in his second attempt against American Gus Lesnevich in 1948!

    McAvoy the fearsome British middleweight was himself affected by boxing politics and denied a World middleweight title fight, yet 'allowed' to fight all-time great John Henry Lewis for the World's light-heavyweight title in 1936. McAvoy obliged and he took Lewis the distance over 15 rds.

    Gilroy chased McAvoy from 1938-45 with the crucial years being 1939-44. In 1940 Bert won an eliminator against the well noted and world ranked Arthur 'Ginger' Sadd for McAvoy's crown. Fate proved to be a curse rather than a blessing at this point as Bert suffered a serious injury while on Military manoeuvres and broke his pelvis bone. The bout was naturally cancelled and Bert lost a year out of his boxing career. Bert returned in 1941 went straight back to No. 1 and his promised title match was still in the wait, and in fact 'never' took place at all, even though McAvoy hadn't defended his title since he was down to fight Gilroy that night back in June 1940. Indeed McAvoy held that same title 'uncontested' for an additional 4 years and retired in 1945 without making another defence of his British middleweight title!

    The same can be said for Bert's status against Freddie Mills, Mills held his British & Empire's World light-heavyweight title for 8 long years without ever defending it!

    Bert was official challenger to the title and Mills' No. 1 contender from 1945-48 yet once again no title fight for Gilroy. Bert & Freddie did meet once in 1944 in a non-title bout and with Gilroy ahead on points, Mills gets the verdict in a not very well received 8th round stoppage owing to a cut eye that Bert had received in the opening rounds. Why were the two never brought together again, and it is even more of a legitimate question to inquire as to how Freddie could hold a title 8 long years without 'ever' making one title defence, not one!

    Gilroy competed with excellence and consistency from mid-1937 when he came into his own, and in fact had only tasted defeat 13 times out of his next 85 contests, when he retired in 1950, including a 41 fight stretch without defeat, mid-1937 to early 1943. Of the losses, 7 of them met with 'documented' questionable decisions or circumstances surrounding the fights and a handful of them to bigger men, Heavyweights - Bruce Woodcock, Ken Shaw and Stephane Olek fighters Bert shouldn't have really been fighting in the first place.

    All in Bert Gilroy took part in 7 contests for Scottish titles, one 'eliminator' for the Scottish middleweight title, two more for the title itself, which he won, two battles for the Scottish light-heavyweight title, winning that title too and likewise two attempts at the Scottish heavyweight title against Champion, Ken Shaw, losing both, the first questioned. Bert as mentioned had one 'eliminator' for the British middleweight title, and though No. 1 for the better part of 10 years, was denied a shot at both McAvoy's middleweight title and Freddie Mills' light-heavyweight title, Why?

    Bert was 'hailed' from ring legends such as Jimmy Wilde and Elky Clark to top reporters and writers, Euan Wellwood, Malcom Turner, the famous Norman Hurst and tragic Henry Rose, George Biddles and Barrington Dalby to top flight American boxing manager and promoter Charley Rose and one of Britain's leading referee's at the time Eugene Henderson all forecasting Bert Gilroy to be the next British middleweight Champion and/or a World Champion.

    Bert Gilroy's final score was 119 fights, 86 (44) wins, 25 loses 8 draws, he was Scotland's longest reigning Champion, Scotland's greatest 'Bigman' and the greatest Scottish fighter never to 'hold' a British or World title.

    He may well have been Britain's greatest middleweight.

    In Bert's own words "they Shut me Out"... the Thistle in the Rose, Scotland's Bert Gilroy!
     
  10. lora

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    Gilroy: sCotland's Sumbu Kalambay
     
  11. garymcfall

    garymcfall Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Juan Manuel Marquez being screwed out of the biggest win of his career twice, arguably three times, strikes me as being pretty unfair.
     
  12. tommygun711

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    The first two were awfully close so it's not like they were robberies. The knockdowns in my opinion are what make those fights so close. the third one was though, no doubt. I had Marquez clearly winning, something like 9-3.

    Marquez has been on the short end of the stick before though, like when he beat Chris John and Freddie Norwood.
     
  13. atberry

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    Eubank - the whole of England and Germany wanted to lynch him.

    And Dan Schommer, for being robbed against Eubank having seemingly beaten him by six or seven rounds.
     
  14. janitor

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    This.
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Perhaps you can name the losses you are referring to regarding Pernell ..