Most Unworthy fighter

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  1. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    You have to look at the way he has beaten his opponents though, which for the most part has been very convincing.
     
  2. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    JMM is probably a bit too high, and then the obvious in Wright, Taylor and Hop. Hop should be there but not as high IMO.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even looking at that, I wouldn't say he has any more talent than the other top 15 guys or so who should be considered, and his resume simply isn't as good. I guess it depends on the criteria. But I find it funny that Judah is considered a big win for Cotto, and for PBF its about 1/2 and 1/2 with people dismissing it and calling it a good win.
     
  4. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    I'm partially against the idea of Cotto being a p4p guy but the real fuel for that argument is a loss and so far he doesn't have one on his record.
     
  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very true....but neither does Calderon, Dawson, Williams, etc. And they appear on fewer lists. And they got their belts from champions, established ones at that. One of them is THE man in 2 different divisions.

    See what I mean?
     
  6. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    wright gets by on reputation, he hasn't done anything significant in years, probably because he always asks for twice what he's worth
     
  7. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    I do but this guy doesn't :nonono
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, either way, there are alot of unbeaten champions who have talent not on the P4P list, who perhaps have accomplished a little more than Cotto.
     
  9. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    Charlie should be put on it after he knocks out dude in his first fight.:rofl :rofl P4p #1:good
     
  10. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Are you serious? He holds stoppage victories over Maussa, Sosa, Pinto, Bailey, Corley, Abdulaev, Torres, Branco, Malignaggi, Quintana, Urkal and now Judah. And he beat Judah, Sosa and Corley much more impressively then Mayweather did. Pretty impressive list. No great names, but all very solid wins. A few current and ex world champions in there. His opposistion has been very consistent, and he has for the most part dominated them.
     
  11. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    But your looking at their biggest wins, not their overall opposition. Dawson for instance and Williams have only a couple of big fights under their belts. Calderon is difficult to rank, due to the percieved lack of p4p talent in the lower weight classes. Still, I think he is under rated in this sense.
     
  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not kidding in the slightest. Judah is the best win of the bunch. Torres and Malignaggi are champions much like David Diaz. They are beltholders. They aren't anywhere near the real champions of their divisions. Others were simply prospects. Branco, Bailey, Pinto...these are no better than the wins PBF gets blasted for. Why are they quality wins for Cotto and not PBF?

    Hatton barely makes top 10 lists and he has beaten KT and Castillo. Cotto has consistant competition, but not really good competition. Above average yes, but not great by any means. Mosley is his first elite class fighter, and Mosley is 35 now. And Cotto has won both his titles while they were vacant.

    I am not badmouthing the guy, but I don't see him being top 10 p4p yet, not unless he beats Mosley.
     
  13. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am looking at more than records. Many of those fighters you named off were mere prospects. If PBF had fought the same level, Pacman, whatever, they wouldn't get near the credit Cotto gets for fighting them.

    Roy Jones fought a higher level of opposition and they were called bums.

    Kessler has beaten actual champions and is not rated.
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Taylor, if he's still there after Pavlik starched him. He shouldn't have even been there in the first place off those gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright.