Most weight drained that you know of ?

he being sarcastic, saying it is exagerated or out and out BS.

 

I forget which fight but Toney lost about fifty pounds in a month for one of his fights. It was ridiculous. I heard they hooked him up to an IV and fed him intraveinously for a month to get him to lose that kind of weight. And he'd done stuff like that a couple of times in his career, going up and down 25-30 pounds half a dozen times. That last one looked rough though. Didn't look like the same human being.

 

I'm pretty sure reports of Oscar being weight drained are mostly perpetrated by *****s trying to discredit Pacquiao's win. How weight drained could De La Hoya be if he fought at 150 7 months earlier and came in the night of the Pacquiao fight at 145? Night of the fight, he's only two pounds heavier at 147. If he's ridiculously weight drained why isn't he rehydrating and eating? Was there some sort of rehydration penalty in his contract? Also, it's not like he'd never made that weight before. He did it for four years and before that he was a lightweight.

 

It's not the weight, it was the rehydrating. He was ill: 145 was a ridiculous weight to make at this stage.

If you discount DLH's cut, I really hope you don't give Roy his excuse about dropping from heavy. After all, he just made it a year prior to Tarver. It honestly isn't a matter of what you once weighed; It's what you take off, how you take it off, and how your body responds. Look at how awful he looks at the weigh in, look at the medical help he received, look how he fought. Proof is in the pudding.

 

I AGREE,

but it's not like these guys had to do it in a week or two (thats weight drained), they had 2 and 3 month training camps. if their still cutting weight toward the end of that, then thats poor practice and it can still have an effect, but no where near the same problem as the Old timers who did such drastic cuts in 'quick' time!

 

5 pounds, man. 5 pounds. I've seen guys cut ten in a day. Toney cut nearly 60 in a month. If he can't cut 5 pounds he is in the wrong sport. The reason he lost like he lost is because he was past it and Pacquiao was stronger, better, faster that night. He was an old star fighting a young star. Chavez looked the same way when De La Hoya fought him.

Roy's problem was that he jacked his body up full of roids and then didn't cycle off them right. He played around with his body chemistry, didn't know what he was doing, and he messed himself up. He didn't gain the muscle right and he probably didn't lose it right either.

Usually, a weight cut just gains a naturally bigger fighter a massive advantage; so I have trouble seeing the guys who can't pull it off as true victims. Chavez Jr. rehydrated up to light heavyweight the night he fought middleweight Sergio Martinez and he was stronger with better punch resistance than maybe a normal middleweight should be. A guy that much bigger can do some real damage to a smaller guy just like what happened with Gatti vs Gamache.

If De La Hoya was really cutting a lot of weight then he was probably planning to be twenty pounds heavier on fight night like Floyd was against Marquez, and he would just bully the smaller man around. So why didn't De La Hoya regain his lost weight? Why'd he only put back on two pounds? Maybe, it was drugs, cause he's admitted to a substance abuse problem later in life. Maybe, his heart wasn't in it and he knew he was going to retire. Maybe, he was just old. He was already coming off a string of losses: Mosley, Hopkins, Mayweather. There are probably a lot of reasons he lost that fight.

I really don't know about the whole IV thing to hydrate him if it's true. It might just be something fighters do. I hear that other guys have used IVs to make sure they are hydrated the day of the fight. I've heard that Chavez Jr. uses diuretics to cut weight. All these "medical" type things just sound like ways elite fighters are trying to game the system. At the weigh ins, which I just watched, De La Hoya doesn't look great and he doesn't look terrible either. He looked like an in shape athlete that was sucking in his cheek and grinding his teeth a lot. Not sure what that was about.

 

He lost for three reasons:

The sharpest performance of Manny Pacquiao's career. He never moved, snapped, or picked like that since.

His feet were cement. He couldn't move. He couldn't punch. He couldn't try. That usually means drained, exhausted or sick.

He was dull as all get. His punches had nothing on them. Also, usually, a symptom of above. Not sure it would have made any difference, so I don't think it discredits the win: Miguel Cotto was everything DLH, wasn't, and he got the **** beat out of him, too.

60 in a month, for Toney, I'm not impressed. He's a fatass, he has weight to lose. Oscar has been skin and bones at every weight but 160. He doesn't have 60 pounds to cut; I don't think he's ever had 10. I've never heard, nor seen any evidence that Roy was on steroids for Ruiz. I'd be interested in having a look at that.

I completely disagree that a massive weight cut ALWAYS gives a fighter an advantage. I even look to Pacquiao, recently; Every opponent by Marquez for the last 10 fights has dropped more than Manny in camp, and Manny has chewed them all up. Size is not important at all in this sport in the fighter commanding it doesn't have the energy and the strength to use it. I've fought multiple gentleman over 6'6" and 275 pounds. None of them have made it further than the 1st round, and I found them laughably weak compared to a George Foreman or a Riddick Bowe. Chavez was stronger and larger, but he also looked like he was in quicksand and badly looking to take a nap. Kid had no energy.

Wouldn't shock me if drugs had something to do with it. Also wouldn't shock me if he was ill, like he's said; That rehydrating too fast made him sick, and that he was coping with that all night. I think he looks horrible at the weigh ins.

 

Fair point though.

 

Harry Greb (vs Mike O'Dowd). Still performed well though.

Ike Williams (vs Jimmy Carter). Lost his title.

 

Toney had to lose 40+ lbs in a matter of weeks to face Roy Jones at SMW, that's well documented. No wonder he was weak as f*ck in that fight.
Ironically, Roy himself had trouble making the SMW limit for that fight... they should just have got it on at LHW, but Toney's title was on the line...

 

Mugabi had to lose 7 pounds in 2 hours before that Hardrock Green fight. He made weight at 1300 and went and got caught by Duff eating slopburgers and guzzling a 2 litre bottle of coca cola. Made him cut the weight and somehow he made weight a few hours later. What was funny was the pre-fight hoopla typical w/ Duva at the time & him saying to Green--look at the belly on that guy.

 

Also I did find the article that said before the Jones fight, Toney was 201 pounds coming into camp, not more as stated previously, but still a substantial amount to cut.

 

He had a day to rehydrate. Read yesterday funnily enough that Moore and Durelle both shed around 25lbs before there first fight. No biggie.

 

James Toney once had to cut 20 pounds in 4 days to make heavyweight.