Most well rounded heavyweight champion ever

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Roy Jones except for durability.
     
  2. Greb & Papke 707

    Greb & Papke 707 Active Member Full Member

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    Having not seen the man at his peak I cannot say but apparently Jim Jeffries checked most If not all boxes on that list
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Holmes repertoire of punches , was basically left jab, right cross ,right uppercut.
    No left hook to speak of.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Fitz didn't really employ the jab much,except in the Jeffries fights.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Almost exclusively a head hunter.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    Whaaaaaaaa? You mean Ali actually fought in the 60's and early 70's?
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    Great mentions imo. I also like Holyfield and am not totally ambivalent to the Liston mention. Hugely underrated fundamentals.

    The thing is the heavyweights find it hard to match the other divisions for completeness. It's the way of the big men i reckon. 175 has guys like Charles, John Henry, Moore, 160 has guys like Hagler, Hopkins and SRR, 147 has SRL and SRR and maybe Burley etc etc.
     
  8. AwardedSteak863

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    I know, shocker right. And apparently he was bad defensively.
     
  9. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Holmes may be a little underrated by some, I do rank him in the top 5.

    As far as who the greatest is, Ali gets the nod because he beat better fighters than Holmes did.
     
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  10. AwardedSteak863

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    Not 100% accurate. Yes, he was not known for body punching and primarily was an outside fighter. He would jab to the body from time to time but rarely would get inside and dig hooks to the body since that wasn't really his game. To say he was exclusively a head hunter is incorrect. He simply did not throw a lot of body shots with power just like Frazier didn't like to throw a ton of jabs and stay outside.
     
  11. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Riddick Bowe was pretty well rounded. Those damn donuts will do it everytime.
    Actually Bowe was for a minute a complete fighter. Almost Primo on a bad day
     
  12. mcvey

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    I'll preface it with "almost",any argument with that?
     
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  13. mcvey

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    One negative,he never learned to cut off the ring.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Louis had every punch in the book,effective footwork,good speed,accuracy and patience,he is as near to complete as any heavyweight has been imo.
     
  15. RightLeftCombo

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    Ok, so the most well rounded doesn't mean a fighter is perfect or has no flaws. They have weaknesses and flaws still, even the best. For instance, Ali was caught by too many left hooks and neglected his defense later, choosing to take shots.
    I like Holmes overall for what he did and well into his 40's too. Ali and Louis are up there as well as they were great.