Moving up in weight is a sign of boxer laziness

See my comment for legitimate box offs for #1 contenders. Guys would get ranked based on merit and if a fighter was stripped they would have to earn their way to another title shot

 

Pacquiao a lazy f***er then

 

Moving up in weight can be a sign of laziness, Freddie Brown Duran's trainer said the only reason Duran went to 154 is he didn't want to make the weight any longer and the way he behaved after the first Leonard fight I can believe it. But I believe in most cases a young man who starts fighting pro at 18-22 years of age will naturally add weight by the time he's in his early 30's to the point he can no longer make his original starting weight. I just don't see a one size fits all template to this subject

 

I don't focus on fan theories and opinion, so maybe that's what differs with us. You care too much about opinions it seems. And surveilance? Get over yourself. You aren't that important. But as a guess based on your posting, you haven't really been into boxing too long, am I right? You come off as a newer fan.

I'm not bothered by anyone here. Reason being, why would i? It's just random opinions of faceless people. I block those who tend to offer nothing useful. Or are too big of fanboys to adhere to common sense and critical thinking.

I'm not too egotistical or stubborn to not have some posters have changed my mind on things. I keep anopen mind here. Can you even say that?

 

Good post! It's not all or nothing here.

I have no qualms with boxers moving up. That's goingto be natural with growth. What does bother me is moving up and targeting the easy belt, then not bothering to defend. Or going right back down in weight. It's like some of the newer genertation just want that vaunted 'Multi division champ' noted along side their name.

If one moves up in weight, and wins a belt, the focus SHOULD be on unification. And at the very least, defending that belt.

 

Boxers usually move up as they get older. Your body does not burn calories like you do in your teens or twenties. Some younger guys move cause there is just no money at their weight class. There isn't this huge influx of boxers moving weight class.

Bottom line ,who cares. If you make weight you make weight. If they are able to cut weight they are call weight bullies, now if you move up you are lazy

 

If your competition is still elite then who gives a ****

 

Absolutely agree.

And I can think of one very easy way to fix it.

Actually use fightnight weigh-ins.

Not to bar fights from happening, necessarily, but as a datapoint for consequences after the fight.

For example:
i. Coming in more than a certain amount over the class weight limit (either set number of lbs, or a small percentage) and any belt/s won or retained are forfeit.
ii. Coming in way overweight sees a ban from competing at that weight again in future.


There's a few potential problems, though, as usual...

Firstly, you'd need to get cash hungry orgs to codify and act on these sorts of rules - difficult in itself.
If multiple orgs don't sign up to it, you might find certain fighters eschewing those orgs belts - unless they're desperate for undisputed, missing out one or two sensible orgs doesn't stop them weight bullying... Then again, the legit fighters who aren't taking the mickey with massive cuts would probably favour those orgs?

It would, I think, fix the problem though if the orgs adopted it - nobody is going to want to fight consistently drained deliberately because it's dangerous... So they'd move up as they're supposed to, or adjust their frames to make weight properly.

 

With respect...

How is telling these orgs to eliminate weight divisions (and cut their profits by having less title fights) really any more realistic than telling them not to exist at all?

Either way, it's just not happening.

 

If this is the concern the "regular title" thing would be a way to get more fighters belts without muddying the waters who the real champ is.


The WBC is a council of organizations that sanction regional title fights and that would continue to exist without the WBC. The IBF was originally a regional sanctioning body that was part of the WBA.

 

Bull****. Well not entirely you do have a point to some degree. Or for some fighters. But to constantly make a certain weigh when you're already quite a lot heavier which is what many fighters are, it's ****ing unhealthy. And very, very, strenuous and straining.

Haney, Tszyu, Garcia. These guys walk around like 10kgs heavier than what they fight. That's a ****ing lot of weight and to lose 10kgs when you're not even fat, is ****ing hard. Especially when you have a natural muscular build or one that has been earned like Devin '' The Dream ''

Ricky '' Fatton '' as they call him weighed like 25-30 kgs heavier than what he fought at. He took it to the extreme and granted he was a fat **** and did let himself go period. But heaps of fighters who are already in shape have to go to ridiculous extreme's to make weight.

Only the one's devoid of a clue and uneducated make such claims.

Kind Regards,

No '' fanoflieutenantdanhennessey ''Chin

 

In the case of James Toney, your statement is true.

 

True but I imagine dropping weight classes as way more likely of the 2.

 

Maybe so, I just think the one title thing hasn't been a part of boxong since the earliest days of the sport. It would take away more than it would bring imo. I'm sure the fans could come up with a better solution than the orgs.

 

Yeah you completely missed the sarcasm on the surveillance comment. The thing about me is I come to a boxing message board to talk about boxing, so whatever thread I'm joining I'm speaking on what it entails. Real quotes, fan theory, popular/unpopular opinion, etc that's all a part of for me. And nah definitely not a new fan when I was buying Tyson fights in the 90s.