Mt. Rushmore of Mexican Boxing Greats?

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  1. NWS

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    Julio Cesar Chavez

    Meldrick Taylor x2
    Edwin Rosario
    Jose Luis Ramirez
    Hector Camacho
    Rocky Lockridge
    Roger Mayweather x2
    Mario Martinez
    Juan LaPorte
    Ruben Castillo

    Vicente Saldivar

    Sugar Ramos
    Ismael Laguna
    Howard Winstone x3
    Jose Legra
    Mitsonuri Seki x2
    Johnny Famechon
    Raul Rojas

    Salvador Sanchez

    Wilfredo Gomez
    Azumah Nelson
    Danny Lopez x2
    Roberto Castanon
    Ruben Castillo
    Juan LaPorte
    Patrick Ford
    Pat Cowdell

    Ruben Olivares

    Lionel Rose
    Chucho Castillo
    Jose Luis Ramirez
    Bobby Chacon
    Alan Rudkin
    Art Hafey
    Takao Sakurai
     
  2. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** off with all that common sense statistical ****!:twisted:
     
  3. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    :deal:thumbsup:happy
     
  4. NWS

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    A good sweet science write-up on Saldivar. He beat everyone who played hot potato with his title, then came out of retirement and took it back.

    Vicente Saldivar: A Mexican Legend

    This boxing legend was born on March 5, 1943. He started his professional career in 1961 and quickly showed that he was a budding star. Saldivar won his first sixteen fights and scored thirteen knockouts. He suffered his first loss in December of 1962 when he was disqualified in a bout against Baby Luis.

    The year 1963 saw Saldivar make great strides in the rankings. He halted the respected Dwight Hawkins in five rounds. He avenged his loss by stopping Baby Luis in eight rounds. There was also an impressive one round win over Eloy Sanchez.

    On February 8, 1964 Saldivar captured the Mexican featherweight title by knocking out Juan Ramirez in two rounds. He defended the title with a twelve round points win over tough Eduardo "Lalo" Guerrero. Then on June 1st Vicente won a very important bout against future lightweight champion Ismael Laguna. Saldivar outscored the clever Laguna in ten rounds.

    On September 26, 1964 Vicente Saldivar won the featherweight championship of the world. He battered the great champion Sugar Ramos and the bout ended in the twelfth round with a new champion being crowned. Saldivar was about to begin a campaign that eliminated all opposition to his throne. He started in 1965 by wearing down and finally stopping his game challenger Raul Rojas in the final round. In his next defense Vicente turned back the fierce challenge of Welshman Howard Winstone in fifteen rounds. These two would get to know each other very well over the next few years.

    Saldivar opened 1966 with a two round kayo over Floyd Robertson. Next Vicente faced the stern challenge of Japan's Mitsunori Seki. For the Japanese tiger, it would be his third shot at a world's title. He failed in a 1961 bid to dethrone flyweight champion Pone Kingpetch and in 1964 he was beaten in six rounds by featherweight king Sugar Ramos. Seki gave Saldivar all he could handle but in the Vicente pounded out a decision victory.

    Seki and Saldivar would meet again in 1967 and this time Vicente left no doubt as to his claim to the title. He ened Seki's challenge in the seventh round. Next was some unfinished business with Mr. Winstone. Again the spry and crafty Welshman traveled the fifteen round distance, but in the end he fell short. The two bouts between Saldivar and Winstone were close enough to justify a third meeting. This time Saldivar ruled supreme ending Winstone's dream in the twelfth round.

    With really no one left to seriously challenge Vicente, he decided to retire. Quickly the WBC matched Saldivar's two toughest challengers, Howard Winstone and Mitsunori Seki, to fight*for the vacant title. On January 23, 1968 Howard Winstone finally got his championship, beating Seki in nine rounds. Howard's stay at the top was short lived as he lost the title to Spain's Jose Legra in five rounds.

    Finally there was some new blood in the division. Legra in turn would lose his crown by decision to Australia's Johnny Famechon. Saldivar still felt he was the best featherweight in the world, so he embarked on a comeback. To prove he was worthy of a title shot he out-fought Legra to win a ten round verdict. Then on May 9, 1970 in Rome, Italy Vicente met the champion Famechon. The Aussie was a very good fighter who had just sent the great Fighting Harada into retirement with a brutal fourteenth round kayo. Against Saldivar he was out-boxed and out-fought but gamely went the distance. The great Saldivar was king again.

    It all came crashing down in his next fight. Vicente took on Japan's Kuniaki Shibata - and it seemed like*he grew old overnight. At times Saldivar boxed well and punched sharply, but at other times he seemed overwhelmed by the force of Shibata's attacks. The Japanese fighter was very strong, and try as he might Vicente was unable to hold him off. Finally it was over. It ended in the thirteenth round. The reign of Saldivar was over.

    Maybe Vicente was not yet convinced he was through or maybe he wanted to go out a winner.*In any event,*Saldivar returned to the ring seven months later and outpointed the always tough Frankie Crawford. Two years later Saldivar again emerged to attempt to regain his throne. Former bantamweight champion Eder Jofre of Brazil had won recognition by the WBC as featherweight champion by winning a majority decision over Jose Legra in May of 1973. Vicente would meet Jofre on October 21, 1973 in Brazil. What looked to be a great matchup on paper turned out to be a bitter disappointment. Saldivar had nothing left. His great skills had eroded. Jofre was too strong and too powerful for the shell of this once great fighting machine. It ended in the fourth round . . . and so did Saldivar's career. There would be no more comebacks.

    Vicente only had forty fights in his career. He won thirty-seven of them. He was a knockout winner on twenty-six occasions. He was the whole package in his prime. Pound-for-pound he was one of the best fighters of the 60s.
     
  5. NWS

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    Saldivar's body of work is a lot less sprawling and vast than a Ruben Olivares, but he was a mark for consistency and wasted no time. Ismael Laguna is a great fighter who went on to be lightweight champion, as was Sugar Ramos who Saldivar stopped in an upset. He cleaned out the featherweight division and turned back several high caliber contenders such as future champ Winstone (three times), Seki (twice), Rojas. Came out of retirement and beat Legra and Famechon. He avenged an early DQ loss and never lost a fight in his prime despite fighting a high level of opposition on a consistent basis. His career was superb, and of the short-and-sweet variety in terms of total bouts similar to a Pernell Whitaker or Ray Leonard.
     
  6. PityTheFool

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    Nice read.You should meet up with Hands Of Iron.
    He used to post some real interesting stuff too.
    A genuine fountain of knowledge.:good
     
  7. NWS

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    The resemblance to him is kind of startling. :scaredas:
     
  8. pound

    pound Coqui Radar Full Member

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    Kid Azteca
    Baby Arizmendi
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Juan Manuel Marquez
     
  10. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Nice, A different take.
    I like it, Mexico has bred some great fighters.

    I think this is the first "Kid Azteca" mention?
     
  11. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    :good Good job bro!
     
  12. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    I agree. Mixing some of the old with the new. Where it began to present day.
     
  13. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    saldivar, chavez, marquez, sanchez

    food for thought, Mt Rushmore was never completed. have margarito's chin sculpted in there for the hell of it
     
  14. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    The mountain is made of Margo's chin.
     
  15. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    someone needs to shop this