Mugabi vs Julian Jackson?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At 154 and 160. What say you?
     
  2. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who lands a bomb first? This reminds me a little of Mugabi's fight with Hargrove, at least going into it, two ko punchers and John caught the Pearls chin first. John's punches seemed to come from wider angles and Julian's compact for an advantage, but I'm not so sure, at his best John was very good at timing those wide left hooks. This wouldn't be the shop worn Mugabi vs Terry Norris and as devastating a puncher that Julian was I'm going to put my dime on the Beast.
     
  3. Bokaj

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    Good post.

    Personally, I think Jackson's sharper, more compact punches might just give him the edge here. Both are so devastating when they land that chin isn't that important, it's rather who lands a clean shot first. That guy is probably going to win, and I give Jackson the better chance to find the target first.
     
  4. red cobra

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    JJ would have put the Beast to sleep.
     
  5. Berlenbach

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    In these type of shoot-outs it's usually the guy who takes a better punch who prevails. Think McCallum and Jackson. On that basis I'd give the edge to Mugabi, but it really is a pick 'em.
     
  6. Xplosive

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    Jackson wold have smoked Mugabi.
     
  7. Bokaj

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    That's fair.

    But McCallum didn't only posses a stellar chin, he was also very, very good defensively. Mugabi wasn't used to be put on the back foot. I can't say what would happen if Jackson hurt him, since Mugabi wasn't put in those kind of situations in his prime. Well, Hagler finished him off, but he was exhausted by then.

    EDIT: In the kind of puncher shootouts we had in those days it's a bit mixed. McClellan's chin won him the first fights against Jackson, but the second was a blowout. He just failed to blow out Benn and lost later on (special circumstances, though). Benn blew out Barkley early. Hearns also seemed like destroying Barkley early, but Iran held out long enough to find that opening.
     
  8. TBooze

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    The Hawk bombs him out early.

    The Hagler fight sadly was the exception rather than the rule, Mugabi too often signed it in, finding a way to lose if he could not dominate early. Jackson would duly give The Beast his wish!
     
  9. Foxy 01

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    You obviously chose to ignore the 25 wins ( all by stoppage ) that Mugabi had going into the Hagler fight. It is generally accepted that the Hagler fight is what ruined Mugabi in this thread. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE who thinks that Mugabi wasn't more than capable of taking out Julian Jackson at Light Middle ( both were at the weight at the same time ) is delusional.

    It is very likely they were kept apart from Jacksons end, forcing Mugabi to fight Hagler at the higher weight.
     
  10. Ned Merrill

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    I'm not sure who'd win this smoker. I tend to believe Juilan was sharper but that Mugabi had the stuff and style to potentially rush Jackson moments into the contest and throw him off just enough to be effective. Mugabi would almost assuredly be taking the initial chances, me thinks. He also had a deceptive reach relative to Jackson. I wonder how long this match would go.....
     
  11. TBooze

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    Do not get me wrong Mugabi has the ability to do the job, he has more talent than Jackson, he should in theory win. But I was lucky to see a bit of Mugabi live, and although initially wetting myself at the thought of watching such a seemingly awesome performer (like you say, he had some amazing numbers), he disappointed me.

    Jackson in his pomp sucked it up and found a way to beat better fighters, Mugabi did not.
     
  12. Foxy 01

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    I agree with you there. However if he ( Mugabi ) had stuck to the lower division instead of being ruined by Hagler I would have liked to have seen how he would have handled solid resistance against better fighters.

    I also saw him at the Sporting Club when he KO'd Brewster in 81, and Wembley when he sparked Gonzalez in 84.

    Great puncher.
     
  13. Titan1

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    Mugabi stops Jackson late, but not before he's shaken to the core about 4 to 5 times.
     
  14. Berlenbach

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    Jackson did have McCallum hurt though. Someone with a lesser chin probably wouldn't have survived. In the end Mike won because he could take it better from Jackson than vice versa.

    Hagler-Hearns, Foreman-Lyle, Holy-Cooper, Liston-Williams. It's not always the case but shoot-outs tend to favour the guy who takes a better punch. Mugabi did stand up to that pounding from Hagler for 11 rounds, not sure Jackson could have lasted that long. But then Hagler didn't have Jackson's one shot power, so we can't be sure.

    Like I said, it's a hard one to call. I only give Mugabi a slight edge based on his durability. I wouldn't bet on the outcome, though I'd sure pay to watch it. As stated above, it could come down to whoever lands the big one first.
     
  15. zadfrak

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    Mugabi.

    Much faster hands. The thing is the threw punches from everywhere like his rear end. If Julian threw that same punch, we'd still be waiting for it to land.
    he threw correct punches but wasn't faster.

    At any rate, I see the Beast taking ring center like he always did. And feinting and twitching like he always did to get the opponent to react. I think Jackson reacts and misses a punch and gets countered or he simply falls for the feints real bad. And Mugabi didn't throw jabs. All power shots. Once hit, Jackson is moved and not escaping with that defense or footwork. He could only Absorb McCallums shots to the body for the grand total of 2 rounds and Mike usually needed half the bout to eventually wear guys out. So I think Jackson doesn't have much of a chin here and takes a body shot even worse.

    And this isn't In Chul Baek or a 90 year old Drayton in there. Gunslinger fight and no way it goes to the 3rd round.

    I just think guys like Hearns and Mugabi were not the guys for Jackson to be fighting. Let alone a Hagler.