Muhammad Ali 1974 v Riddick Bowe 1992

Agreed. Most fighters either were forced to fight or hold. Many tried to box at distance, because that was the most logical way to beat a guy of Tysons style, and stature, BUT Tyson's speed, power and ability to cut off the ring usually had fighters going to plan B or the oh **** plan.

 

Tucker was landing punches, and he didn't have even a fraction of Ali's hand speed and accuracy. A slow-handed lead-footed Pinklon Thomas was landing one-twos on Tyson !
Ali would have handled Tyson quite easily. A young Ali (Cassius Clay) even did pretty well at tying up Liston, and Tyson was quite easy to tie up.

Tucker, Tillis, Buster Douglas - Douglas beat Tyson up for****ssakes.

Ali was cool under fire, and he would have landed punches. Tyson might get through once or twice and hurt Ali, but Ali ties him up and retaliates. Ali would bust him up. You know it deep down. Anyone who knows boxing knows it.
And I'm not even convinced Ali was as great as they say he was.

 

Been following your posts for a while and you're truly a solid poster, but this is really your Achille's heal.:smoke

(And no, I'm not a Lewis fan)

 

Come out of the closet yes you are!

 

Can't really decide if the place you live in is really complicated or really uncomplicated. Pretty sure the echo is something else, though.

 

Landing punches against a 5'11 pressure fighter is going to happen. Actually getting Tyson to stop moving forward and get stuck on the end of punches like Douglas was able to do is another. Tyson lost once, in what 37 fights, they all lose, doesnt mean ****, whether you consider Tyson's focus or lack of, in that fight.
Tucker was a 6'5" good technically skilled boxer. If anyone could hold Tyson at range it should have been him. Tyson was never way behind in any fights besides the Douglas fight. Sure some fighters had their moments, but the same can be said for Ali.

 

No one easily handles a young Tyson.

I like Bowe of the first Holyfield to beat the Ali of the Foreman fight. To gage Bowe off the Tubbs fight is like gaging Ali by the Bonavena fight. I feel Bowe's speed, strength, stamina, power, size and determination would be too much for a near 33 year old Ali.

 

Im not gay, not that theres anything wrong with it. Just admit you like Lennox Lewis. I dont have a problem with it. I like to discuss Lennox Lewis with people who overate him. Doesnt mean Im biased or I dont read posts or whatever else your contingent seems to come up with when they dont like what I write. Just a boxing forum, dont take it too seriously. We all have favorites. You chiming in on Unforgiven's post pretty much shows how you really feel about Lewis.

 

Bowe was what 9 fights from his fight with Evander when he fought Tubbs. Top level fighters improve the most when they start facing former champs or the better contenders, they give them looks and heart they're not used to seeing in the tomato cans. Just like Tyson in the Tillis and Green fights. Those guys showed him another dimension of boxing, and he later schooled guys who had the same but better style of those two guys.

 

Achilles heel ?
Yeah, I guess. I do think Lewis was a great fighter, but of all the heavyweights I think he's the one most over-rated on this site. Someone has to be top of the "over-rated" list and my perception is that it's Lewis. Who's yours ?
And, as you know, I've backed it up with solid reasoned posts. Last time I checked, I had a fair and balanced answer and explanation to every concern about my ranking of Lewis, and I wont be making that effort again because I've noticed that fair and reasoned explanations go totally unappreciated. People here prefer to be ranted at and insulted. Posts that stick to TRUTH and FACTS are too threatening.

 

No, it isn't. Bonavena was a top contender who had given the reigning champ hell. Tubbs was several years past his best and had accomplished jack for the last 5-6 years. Besides Ali KO'd Oscar while comfortable ahead on points, if you wanna go that route. Bowe got a close decision.

Thing is, no matter how good Bowe looked against Holy, what we know for a fact is that he struggled with the third best fighter he fought and got his ass kicked by the second best. He managed to beat the best, yes, but only when that guy fought a text book version of "How Not to Fight Riddick Bowe, You Dumb ****".

 

Priceless.

I wasn't suggesting it, but I truly love that reply. What I really was suggesting was that you're a loon. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

Last time I checked there was no response to your excellent retort of all the things wrong in the other thread. I basically said the same things, only they cant call you names like they do me, you're too polite.

 

Ok I can live with being called a loon, just dont accuse me of being biased. I think I provide a pretty neutral position. I probably believe Tyson and Bowe are better fighters than some of the guys on here, but I try to keep their accomplishments in the proper context.

 

Suppose, it's Dempsey. But really, the regular posters here have have all in all a pretty level headed view of things.

But all really good posters have one or two strange things. McGrain rates Frazier and Liston too high, Suzy Q rates Liston too high, McVey rates Dempsey too high, Janitor rates anyone pre 1930 too high. Some of them even think Frazier would beat Ali prime for prime So, you're in good company.

But it's just too well, really. Would be boring if all were like me, wouldn't it?:!: