Muhammad Ali and PEDs

Bloody right,John ! Some of them need a liedown in a darkened room.

 

Encore!!!!

 

I keep thinking Senor Pepe is still lurking about here somewhere

All this conspiracy theory bull****

 

Its definitely him

 

If you watch the video, Ali's corner put smelling salts were under his nose...then he came to, jerked his head up. His eyes looked like pin-balls. Ali did not know where he was, and had to be restrained by Dundee in-between rounds. Add to the fact that Dundee himself said right after the fight there was an extended delay between rounds, far more than an 8 seconds.

If Cooper's corner or the ref was aware of what went down, they could have made an appeal to the commission, and perhaps the fight goes down as a NC, or DQ.

 

Yeah, Ali without PEDS simply could not beat a Prime Cooper

 

:deal

He'd beat a prime Bowe and Buster Douglas on the same night

 

****sake, I'm all for free speech and everything, but if I was ever tempted to permanently blackball the discussion, for or against, of one fighter on this forum, it'd be Ali. I suppose I don't really come on here frequently enough that I should let it get on my tits, so more fool me, but it drives me ****ing wappy. He rarely generates constructive discussion, so why bother? Don't answer that.

Sorry, but the potstirring, anti-Ali trolls and monotheistic Ali arsekissers are all as bad as each other. It just seems to be that one group are rightly denounced as trolls where the other group gets away with it, and there are way more of the latter knocking about than the former. Their agendas are usually masked - badly, I might add - behind a rather insidious veneer of bland credibility so that their opinions seem to carry much more weight than those of the minority nutters, sadsacks and easy targets when it often isn't the case.

Somebody rather sneeringly mentioned Pepe/Duce earlier on. Granted that he had some odd opinions and that his anti-Ali pish was often embarrassing, irritating and ill-advised, clogging up the forum as it did along with all the redundant pro-Ali threads. It was also occasionally valid and hugely outweighed by the reams of excellent obscure information he often contributed and the number of excellent threads he started on a number of relatively little-discussed fighters (or even well-discussed ones, ie. Liston) to provoke discussion. At least he actually contributed something rather than belligerently trotting out tired, whiny, redundant cliches (probably like this one), which is more than plenty of people on this ridiculous thread can say whether they like Ali or not.

Ali was one of the main reasons I became interested in boxing and it's history as a child, and I never thought I'd find myself at the point where discussing him actually bores me, which is making me berate myself.

 

serious question.

If a person knocks Ali hes a troll, if someone defends him hes an arse-kisser. What way would you like questions to be asked/answered?

 

There was no consensus on the prohibiion of PEDs in sport, I'm not sure it was even discussed in boxing, and certainly hardly any 'moral outrage' regarding their use, it simply wasn't an issue in the days when Muhammad Ali was competing.
The drugs existed, and were used by some boxers. But it wasn't cheating.

As for smelling salts, I'm not sure why they were banned in the UK, if that's even true.

 

Tell that to Erbito Salavarria