Muhammad Ali at his best vs. Wladimir Klitschko at his best, who wins?

Wlad rarely misses, against who?

That's the point.

He's not usually off balance, because he hasn't been fighting HW's with the speed of a peak Ali.

How would Ali have kept the fight in the centre if the ring?

By using his incredible footwork.

Go and watch some footage.

Then you have to factor into the equation, whether or not Ali could have gained a huge advantage over him psychologically.

Wlad is naturally cautious, and Ali could have exploited that, both mentally and physically.

 

So Wlad won yeah? How did he win?

 

Who did he knock out?

 

I agree, but he's never faced anyone as elusive as a 25 year old Ali.

 

Wlad doesn't need to put himself off balance to win this fight- he can and will box conservatively on the outside to make Ali become the aggressor, a role in which Ali's not used to playing.

With the size, reach, timing, and accuracy, it's going to be on Ali to force the matter to score enough to win. He's facing a more technically disciplined and significantly faster fighter than Liston, whose jab lingered long enough (Sonny also dropped his right hand after throwing routinely) for Ali to work around it (Ali also smartly knew that Sonny couldn't handle movement- Wlad can).

Still, while the jab is important, it's going to be Wlad's left hook that's the difference in the fight. Ali's going to have to get into the range of the hook to score himself, and that's going to be where Wlad gets him. Ali's fast- but he's not fast enough to get in, score, and get out without eating punishment from Wlad. That's a myth.

If Ali tries to dance on the outside for the duration of the fight, he's going to get picked off and not score enough to win, and the fight will be a snorefest.

Frankly, it probably would be anyways. :thumbsup

 

Real assessments.

 

He outboxed him. Whoopie for DW for landing a good punch that momentarily knocked a 6'7 guy down.

Wlad also beat the guy who beat DW (Byrd).

 

I respect your opinion, but I don't agree.

I think Ali was certainly fast enough to get in and out of range without being tagged.

I don't see how he'd be picked off, and there's nothing to suggest that Wlad could handle that type of movement.

I will agree with you though, that it probably would have been a chess match, and it definitely had the potential to be a snoozefest.

 

DV/Loudon - Let's say that there is a time machine that brings the absolute bests of Wladimir Klitschko and Muhammad Ali together.

Do you think Wlad hits MA clearly once in a 12 round fight?

If he does, do you immediately change your opinion on the outcome of the fight?

 

Plenty guys had better left hooks that Wlad. Frazier , Morrison , Tua.

Because he KO'd plodding , punch bag Pulev you think it will make the difference against Ali?

Wlad would swing at nothing but thin air trying to land that looping left hook on Ali.
Do you know anything about the man at all?
This guy on his toes could not be hit and before you say Frazier , it took Joe 14 rounds fighting at a hellish pace before he managed it.

Wlad proved he couldn't go more than 5 fighting a fight.

 

Without taking many other factors into consideration.

Very poor.

All of those fights would have been competitive and dangerous.

 

He didn't out box him at all. He was gassing and getting dropped before he quit over a little blood on his head.

Willaimson was making a fool out of him. The announcers saw it. His trainer saw it , so they pulled him out.
Thats what really happened.
Boxrec doesn't tell the story of fights.

Wlad got handled by a poor mans 10th rate version of Ali. That is a fact.

 

I don't think it's all about speed. I think Wlad can anticipate Ali's attack by timing his attempt to score and countering with something huge. This is where Wlad is dangerous because he can rely on his physical attributes to get him out of any missed opportunity with his long legs (move out of the way) and long arms (jab, clinch).

 

I don't think he'd have hit him with a significant power shot, that would have hurt him and turned things into his favour.

Of course he'd have been hit, it's a fight.

But not with a shot like he landed on Pulev to end their recent fight.

 

I don't need to see him against the real Ali.

I saw him get dropped and lose to a pretend Ali with my own two eyes. Reality