Muhammad Ali at his best vs. Wladimir Klitschko at his best, who wins?

Morrison and Tua never proved their left hooks were better at a championship level.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.



I respect your opinions, even though I don't agree.

I just can't envisage Wlad timing Ali, and then landing a huge shot.

 

I don't know if i should even reply to such ridiculous trolling but Williamson was a come forward guy looking for a KO, he was absolutely terrified against Klitschko who wasn't much more confident tbh after being stopped twice in 4 fights. Williamson one round with a flash knockdown, the rest Klitschko won with this jab and the fact he was the aggressor. The referee and the doctor determind between themselves to go to the scorecards, go watch it, Wlad 10 seconds before said he wanted to continue. What planet do you live on?!

 

They threw it faster , more fluidly more frequently than Wlad.

Wlad dangles his arm fully down before he lets it go. Any half decent fighter would pick up on that. Its predictable and would be negated.

Thats why you don't see it very often. Pulev just moved like a turtle.

 

Willaimson had a gameplan for that fight. To move and draw out misses.

It worked to perfection. A rematch was promised , but Wlad then refused. Wlad never beat a constant lateral moving target sine.

You said Sleep had a better punch than Ali. Who did he knock out?

 

Ali stoppage

 

He does do that sometimes, but there are plenty of fights that he doesn't dangle it (e.g. - Eddie Chambers, Ray Austin, Charles Shufford, etc.).

I've never seen either one of those guys hook off the jab.

 

The guy was 36 and was seen as a tuneup, there was no lateral movement, he just ran for the first few rounds then Klitschko couldn't see because of the blood in his eye.

Yes absolutely, even when Ali began his career against cans he hardly ever stopped anyone early, Williamson who lacks the names was the first to legitimately stop t rex sanders, stopped Jefferson in two, a couple of others names in being the first to stop and defeat Mike Mollo,Dale Crowe and he did something Tyson (old, shot granted) could not and stop Kevin McBride. You just need to watch videos of the difference in force and how their opponents react to the shots.

I'm not saying Williamson was a good all round puncher though, rubbish tenchique, no left hand but he could really bang with the right which was reflected in his amateur days too when he had over 100 KO's from 120 odd wins.

 

I f he was running away , how did he put Klitschko on the floor?

There was no blood in his eyes. It was a little scratch. Corner men wipe it off and you carry on.
Vitali fought on with cuts 100 times worse. Many guy did, and won.

He was pulled out because it was very clear he was heading for a loss.

He was the investment. TOS wasn't.

A guy who can't beat Williamson has no business being the favourite against Ali.

 

But he wasn't pulled out cause he was "going to lose", he was pulled out by the referee and ring doctor, i don't know how you can dispute this..

He did beat Williamson.

 

But the fight shows he never came anywhere close to beating Williamson.

 

He was winning the fight on all three scorecards through five and the fight was stopped because of an accidental clash of heads. Not a satisfactory way to win but i'm afraid it is a legit victory though if there had been any demand for a rematch, it would have been good for them to fight again.

 

Fact #1) Size matters, that is why we have weight divisions. (exceptions to the rule do not disprove the rule).
Fact #2) Boxing rankings are all subjective (replete with nationalism, racism, and nostalgia/hype, illogical opinions) Ranking ATG fighters isn't a science, it is opinion.
Fact #3) Boxing today is truly a global sport, more competition from a wide array of cultures world wide.
Fact #4) Media does a good job on making a fighter more competent than they really are.(90 percent of opinions on boxing is influenced by the media).
Fact #5) Ali and Joe Louis suffer from the same glorification that Bruce Lee got, many people think Bruce Lee can kick anyone's ass.
I got more, but too sleepy.:dead

 

Size at HW isn't that significant.

Not when you're only dealing in a few inches of height and reach.

Those small physical disadvantages can be overcome by other factors.

It would only be significant, if there was either a huge disparity, or if you had two fighters with equal skills, who were very evenly matched, and who were only separated by size.

Also, being bigger is not always an advantage.

 

I'm not sure that Wlad was winning the bout on all three scorecards but, in any event, the real shame of it is that the fight was becoming quite an intriguing battle.

The fourth round [flash] KD did put a different complexion on the fight from then on and it would have been interesting to see how the match played out, had the unfortunate head-clash not occurred.

It was worth a rematch and there was every reason for there to have been one, due to the IBF having placed Williamson ahead of Wlad in their rankings and in line for a crack at Byrd's IBF Title first.

A box-off might have settled the matter but instead it was decided in the courts. Williamson fought Byrd and lost. Wlad would get his turn in Byrd's very next defence and we know that Wlad then became IBF Champ on account of winning that fight.

Williamson, having had his shot and being 37 or so years old was running out of places he could go and the time to get there. He was never really able to regain a consistent form again and that's all she wrote.

It's just a pity that a rematch wasn't made at the time.