Muhammad Ali at his best vs. Wladimir Klitschko at his best, who wins?

The Ali that struggled with Bugner and was knocked down by Wepner wouldn't beat Klitscko, other versions, pre ban and earlier 70's might find a way. But Klitschko would have KO'd Leon Spinks in 1 round, Spinks would have needed hospital quick if Wlad was age 38 in 1979.

 

Watching Ali struggle against opponents not nearly as skillful, strong and big as Klitschko makes me think betting on the underdog, Klitschko, wouldn't be a bad idea. You have to remember that Ali built his reputation versus opponents who would be either cruiserweights or very small heavyweights, not to mention Ali's opponents were from a much smaller number of potential opponents than Klitschko.

I could see Klitschko versus Ali actually being a real "stinker" of a fight.

 

Just how many rounds did Bugner take against Ali - in either fight?

You do realise that the Wepner's KD of Ali had more to do with him stepping on Ali's foot than it did his punch to the Ali's body, don't you?

 

...rumble young man rumble!

 

Yet again you show your bias. Just because Ali is known for being fast doesn't mean he was the fastest. For a person like you, the only shred of evidence needed is the name Ali and nothing else.

Go watch footage of both of them, and honestly tell me that Ali had the explosive athleticism of David Haye.

I bet you that if David Haye, and Ali were competing for a spot in the NFL, or NBA, Haye would be the first one to get it.

 

Thats false.

Williamson was up on one judges scorecard when Wlad got a split decision.

A rematch was agreed in the ring. Wlad refused and fought a no name Cruiser weight in his next fight instead.

He couldn't beat Williamson. That is a fact. His mouth was open and he was slowing in exactly the same way he did the fight before against Brewster.

Manny's name was on the line so they pulled him out. Of all the great fighters in the world , this supposed ATG had to quit against Touch of Sleep Williamson.

The same Williamsom who was knocked out in round 1 the year before against Joe Mesi.

 

And Williamson was robbed in that fight. Byrd also robbed MacLine in the fight before it and also deserved to lose against Golota in the fight before that when he got a draw.
Then Wlad fought that Byrd to become champ.

He had every right to fight Williamson again.

To settle the score and take his sport on the rankings , but he wanted none of it.

 

Haye is the closest thing speed wise to Ali that Wlad has faced, and we all know what happened in that fight. Although Wlad won a UD, it was far from decisive. Haye is a limited boxer who relied mainly on his explosive athleticism, he is far from being a boxing master like Ali was. Wlad couldn't hit Haye cleanly once in the entire 12 rounds and the punches that landed had little effect on Haye. It is also common knowledge that Ali had a very good chin and a big heart. He could box and fight. Wlad was very cautious in the Haye fight, so this leads me to believe that he would be even more cautious against a superior boxer in Ali. How can a cautious boxer like Wlad hope to KO Ali if he doesn't let his hands go?

I just can't see Wlad hitting a prime Ali flush all fight and he isn't aggressive enough to push the fight either. Wlad's gameplan is simple, jab and keep the boxer at distance and then throw the occasional right. If the fighter gets too close then clinch. You think this would work against a boxing master like Ali? You think Wlad will avoid getting hit an entire 12 rounds, forget 15!

Don't get me wrong, Wlad is a good boxer and worthy champion, but he has serious deficiencies in his game when he comes across all-time great fighters. One thing that all great legendary fighters have, is a great chin and a big heart. Boxers like Ali had it, Hagler had it, Chavez had it. Wlad sadly doesn't.

 

Ali was not a boxing master, just an incredibly gifted athlete, fast with great endurance and durability. Watching Ali struggle against fighters without klitschko's talent, experience and size does not make Ali an obvious victor. For example, if Klitschko landed left hooks on Ali instead of Henry Cooper things may have turned out differently. If Karl Mildenbarger could land on Ali, why not Klitschko? I don't remember Ali having the two-handed skills Klitschko does. To further the assessment that Ali was not a boxing master, just a great natural athlete, think about Ali at 36 years of age losing to the pathetically limited Leon Spinks but when Klitschko was 36 years old he beat David Haye decisively. Haye was much better than Spinks although Haye was so intimidated by Klitschko he spent more time diving to the canvas than throwing punches.

 

Wlad on points by a wide margin or even by late stoppage.

 

You obviously don't watch much footage,you're so far out on this but you just don't know it.

 

Are you aware Ali was never stopped in his entire career and Wlad couldn't stop weak chinned David Hayeatsch:roll:

 

I find it incredible that people can make a comparison between David Haye and Ali.
Other than Haye has got quite fast hands though still not as fast as Ali's ,where's the comparison?
I despair on here sometimes.

 

Far from decisive???? Shut up...... atsch
118-108, 117-109 & 116-110

You call those scores "Far from decisive"

Haye is a much harder puncher than Ali ever was, Ali was not a knockout artist.... Most of his stoppages were late in fights. Just saying..... Not that I agree with the comparisons to Ali, but Haye is definitely a better puncher.

Not all ATG fighters have great chins, bull**** claim and you know it....

 

Haye better than Spinks? Nobody who knows anything about this sport thinks Haye is better than Spinks.

Haye is a mythical boxer of blinding speed and power. Real Haye is just a limited 1-2 head hunter with extremely bad foot work.

Please explain how Haye is better than Spinks in terms of skill and who he beat?