Muhammad Ali 'I Can't Beat Ken Norton Alone'

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  1. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I also lived in NY....now NJ. I also attended this fight. My friend's flocked to the PPV sites in NJ rather than pay to see the fight in person specifically because of the economy at that time. My family was well off like most that did attend.
     
    HOUDINI, Sep 18, 2012
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  2. Senor Pepe'

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    The 'well off'

    Do you remember after the fight, how the 'animals' ripped the place apart,
    and went down to ringside and stole all the journalists type-writers, and
    took all the camera's and tele-communications equipment.

    Those people weren't the 'well off', they were the 'street thugs'.

    Personally, I had no interest in the fight. I just couldn't stand to watch
    another Ali 'borefest' of him moving like a 'dancing bear' and throwing
    pillow-type left jabs.

    It was like watching a 'bad movie'.
     
    Senor Pepe', Sep 18, 2012
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  3. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bottom line you insinuated wrongly that the small crowd was indicative of noone wanting to see the fight. Millions went to ppv sites all over the world to see this most aticipated bout.
     
    HOUDINI, Sep 18, 2012
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  4. Senor Pepe'

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    Houdini,,,,,,,,

    If you were there, I hope you didn't buy a ticket.

    Because they were giving them away all day, prior to the fight.
     
    Senor Pepe', Sep 18, 2012
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  5. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    seriously pepe, is this article real?
     
    Nightcrawler, Sep 18, 2012
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  6. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Norton was poison to Ali just like Tim Spoon was hard to digest for Holmes.:deal

    Styles make fights... Norton and Spoon were close in styles and had certain patterns in the ring, as Ali and Holmes were similar in many ways...
    :deal

    Still, having said that, I still feel Ali edged Norton in '76 and that Holmes beat Spoon by a close shave in '83...
    :good:hey

    MR.BILL:hat
     
    MRBILL, Sep 18, 2012
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  7. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Depends on who is r8ing , deal with it .
     
    frankenfrank, Sep 18, 2012
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  8. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal
    this is true :thumbsup
     
    frankenfrank, Sep 18, 2012
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  9. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No it doesn't. Knowledgable boxing historians from the last 20 years rate Ali or Louis as the all time greatest. Guys like you are the ones that see greatness in walking statues like the Klitchco brothers.
     
    HOUDINI, Sep 19, 2012
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  10. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    U mean ignorant Republican in their spirit boxing historians .

    D Klitschkos , Wladimir especially r far from gr8 but this is a h2h list as opposed 2 p4p .


    p4p it would have been more like :


    James Toney
    Mike McCallum
    Charley Burley
    Oliver McCall
    Roberto Duran
    Jorge Castro
    David Tua
    Salvador Sanchez
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Shane Mosley

    Eder Jofre
    Michael Carbajal
    Juan LaPorte
    Jorge Lujan
    Melchor Cob Castro
    Tommy West
    Richard Ihetu
    Rubin Carter
    Carmen Basilio
    Arnold Cream

    Ezzard Charles
    Walker Smith Jr.
    Eddie Booker
    Archie Wright
    Jimmy Bivins
    Orlin Norris
    Chris Byrd
    Reggie Johnson
    Jose Luis Lopez
    Mauro Mina


    Gregorio Perlata
    Doug Jones
    Oscar DeLaHoya
    Dingaan Thobella
    Vince Phillips
    Manny Pacquiao
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Holly Mims
    Jose Luis Ramirez
    Steve Collins

    Gerald McClellan
    Michael Nunn
    Sumbu Kalambay
    Chris Eubanks
    Joey Giardello
    Dingaan Thobella
    Frankie Randall
    Pernell Whitaker
    Curtis Sheppard
    Joey Maxim

    Joey Archer
    Ronald Wright
    Dwight Davison

    ..
    ..

    probably still needs correction and i wonder how real were Canzoneri's , Henry Jackson's , McLarnin's , Ross' , Joyce's , Angott's fights because i read that on some occasions at least some of them carried / were carried by their opponents and i believe as usual that it happened much more than most of u will ever admit that was possible .


    Tell me where u c a Klitschko in my ATG list

    and just in case , this is my contemporary P4P list :

    1. Pacquiao
    2. Marquez
    3. Froch
    4. Donaire
    5. Abraham
    6. Martinez
    7. Haye
    8. Darchiniyan



    Just because i have not seen much of Gamboa probably due 2 a lack of fights that matter of his in my disposal
    also i m not very familiar with 2day's scene 2 its depth


    Tell me where do u c a Klitschko
     
    frankenfrank, Sep 19, 2012
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  11. ron u.k.

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    Dear me:patsch
     
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  12. Senor Pepe'

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    Mark Grogin,

    "It was 'not' the way for The Greatest to go out. He no longer is the 'People's Champion',
    as many have felt that his fight in Yankee Stadium was 'one of the worst' in history.

    "The judges scored the bout in 'make up mode'. After scoring many of the early rounds
    for Ken Norton, it seemed like that they had to play 'make up', to keep the fight close
    in their minds. Ken Norton had the Championship stolen from him, just like the many
    people on the streets that had their 'fight tickets' stolen out of their hands from the
    thieves circling the ticket holders before they entered the stadium.'

    'No friends, Muhammad Ali is no longer the 'People's Champion', he now is a very close
    friend of the officials scoring his fights.'
     
    Senor Pepe', Sep 19, 2012
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  13. markiepoop

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    obviously it doesn't real but i have to admit this is pretty entertaining. However, it's kinda sad that Pepe is doing this..
     
    markiepoop, Sep 19, 2012
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  14. Senor Pepe'

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    Markie,

    You can't have it both ways 'entertaining' but 'sad'.

    Unfortunately, this is the truth as seen by Mark Grogin, and many others.
     
    Senor Pepe', Sep 19, 2012
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  15. Stevie G

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    As has been written before,Ali had slipped considerably from when he fought Norton the second time,three years previously. We all know that his last LEGACY fight was Frazier III. And yes,Muhammad was indeed given a lucky break by the judges after the Yankee Stadium bout,but it was n't a robbery !
     
    Stevie G, Sep 19, 2012
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