Muhammad Ali is the Father of Boxing

Well, that's a semantic argument.
Technically you might be correct
My view is that if power, influence and control of resources is project to a new TERRITORY militarily, for however long, it counts as military expansion.

The whole phenomenon of US might and "empire" (in the post-1945 era) is that it hassn't make use of DIRECT RULE or old-fashioned colonialist practices at all, it uses a revised approach ... bus still bosses large portions of the globe, influences or sets policy for client states, and enforces trade controls, and sometimes backs it up with force.

And I'm not being "anti-American" saying that, just acknowledging the fact that the world carries on in the same way as ever.
There are always going to be "top dogs".

 

You didn't answer his question.

And you did characterize Ali and three other blacks as being of the same ilk as one of history's most notorious mass murderers, Stalin.

One of the blacks you slandered was your democratically elected black president.

Is that the best you can come up with ?

 

Who the hell are you to cross Examin me ? I answered the question already that I didn't compare Those American liberals with Stalin and other mass murderer's at all...And if I want to
lambast an Obama for being incompetent who the hell are you sir to deny me that right ? But no I can come up with something better sir. Adios, Sayanara, and Ciao.:hi::hi:

 

Oh, yes by the consent of the democratically elected governments. And the military from those bases was never used to brutally put down popular uprisings.

They were to help protect West Germany, by Western Germany's own consent. Unlike the Soviet troops in eastern Europe they were not also used to ensure that Western Germany obeyed the US, by violence if necessary.

That's a very major difference.

The absolutely best judge of communism vs liberal democracy is East vs West Germany. It's as close you can come a controlled experience when it comes to the functioning of societies.

The fact that this wasn't deemed as a settled issue by everyone the second East Germany had to build an effing wall in 1961 to keep its citizens from fleeing is as mystifying to me as people in advanced countries being creationists.

 

But you didn't characterize Obama as incompetent.

You lumped him in with Stalin.

Let me remind you of what you wrote:

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The clear implication being that Obama was a communist and of the same stripe as Stalin.

Then you get all self-righteous and indignant and blabber on about cross-examination and such.

Nobody denies you the right to expressing your opinion of your president.

Likewise, those who take issue with your characterization have those same rights.

 

C, I don't know where you are from, but you can take your above buddies and hero's and shove them where the sun don't shine.Iv'e answered my explanation showing that the above people you idolize ,I have never catorgerized as remotely as being in the Stalin, Mao class so let me ask you a question ?
Where the hell are you from ?

 

A very well-reasoned and mature response from a man claiming more than four score and seven years on the planet.

You don't have the first idea who I might or might not idolize. The fact that I point out your gross miss-characterization of an individual sheds no light on whether I idolize them, despise them, or anything in-betwen.

After nearly 90 yrears, you are incapable of drawing valid conclusions from what you see in front of you.

Or could it be that you were just attempting to be sarcastic ?

Either you're quite dim-witted or that's a fairly patent lie. It's not clear which, but it has to be one or the other.

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So which is it, burt ?

Are you being economical with the truth, or have the years dulled your brain ?

 

Get off your ****ing high horse. I don't care what " your generation did, or what you think you did " You didn't even enter until 1942 and only then because of Pearl Harbour, and you and your generation knew perfectly well what the Nazis intended, you just didn't give a ****, cos it wasn't the good ole Us' problem. So you can shove your sanctimonious ****.

Don't think for one moment that just because you represent the rancid right, that anyone who despises your bordering fascism is a " commie "

For the record I believe in the Billy Connolly / Russell Brand philosophy. Don't vote it only encourages the scum to stand for election.

It was you trying to ram your right wing poison down peoples necks. and telling them to go to Russia, or China, with their pictures.

That's the trouble with you rightist goons, you talk about tolerance but you haven't got a ****ing clue what it means.

Furthermore it was YOU who named 6 men, 2 KNOWN communists in Stalin and Marx, and 4 black Americans, 2 of which are preachers I believe, plus your own president.

For someone who claims to be so pro establishment and law, you set good standards to younger Americans labelling your president in with Stalin and Marx don't you?

 

To ESB, we are lost if all the above can spew their left wing lies and demean the greatest country in the world the USA, a place where few flee from but most all wish to come to, without a response from any of you, than I am in the wrong forum...Today when about 65% of Americans say Obama is not doing his job these punks are lauding him and denouncing me. Well if this is
what ESB is coming to, it;'s been a nice ride...

 

Foxy or whatever your name though I'm old I';ll say what I want to in this free society in front of your face anytime, anyplace...
Call me a rightist goon in front of my face you COWARD...

 

I think Soviet troops were technically there by consent of the home country (communist) governments too, in most cases.

Soviet troops DID withdraw from some countries, in the 1940s. Yugoslavia .. parts of Norway even were occupied briefly by the USSR troops.

It was actually all agreed by the Allies in the final years of WW2 anyway. Spheres of influence.
Stalin may have taken a little more than they wanted, but he had good reason and a strong hand.

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You're absolutely right, US troops were never used to crush "popular uprisings" in western Europe ... but of course, that situation never arouse.
If large numbers of West Germans or British people had taken to their streets armed and demanding an alliance with Russia, it's probably that the US would have brutally assisted those governments in squashing them.
But, for the reasons you point out, the western Europeans never fancied communism much !

I absolutely agree ... but only in applying it to the possibilities in advanced developed industrial modern states/societies.

"liberal democracy" and capitalism is the better option in our developed societies. Proven fact.

But in other types of society - for example, feudal-medieval-backward ones, perhaps communism brought some PROGRESS.