Muhammad Ali is the Father of Boxing

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  1. Claus Holmen

    Claus Holmen Active Member Full Member

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    First of all - Ali himself said it takes a very egocentric self to become a champion at anything. He did´nt achieve greatness for the purpose of saving the world. He did it for himself, for his own sake, for the money, for the fame he loved, for the attention he got from the ladies and from the fans. Becoming a Muslim was Ali´s way of growing up - midsixties - he repeated the messages of Malcolm X and stubbornly stuck to his faith. Whatever the reason - it was not to save Vietcons or his black brothers. Ali did it for Ali. 67 - he became an icon for the movement against the war, for his black brothers and sisters and as such had an impact. But he was neither a politician or a prophet. He was Ali, the muslim, the great boxer. In exile 68 - 70, touring the universities, left for himself by the BMs he mixed with intellectuels and he seemed to get a new understanding. He matured and his statements were no longer an ecco of Malcolm X. It was Ali with his message: education ! The world does not need another Ali. The world need doctors .....
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    I don't know if boxing has a father since its roots can be traced back to Ancient Greece and perhaps even beyond. But if we needed to produce a name I would probably go with James Figg. In fact it was Jack Dempsey who called him " The Father of modern boxing."
     
  3. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One could make.a solid argument that Jack Johnson was the dad of the sport, didn't he break the color barrier kinda like Base***** Jackie Robinson?
     
  4. Nighttrain

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    Jack Dempsey gets my vote.
     
  5. boxfan22

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    There you go again thinking the very first people who boxed achieved and accomplished more than the guy that took the sport to new heights. What you need to understand is that Muhammad Ali accomplished and achieved feats that no other boxer could replicate. Ali just took the sport to many levels above any past or present boxer.


    Ali is the greatest heavyweight of all time and that's a fact. His goal for the sport was to surpass Joe Louis to become the best heavyweight ever and that was achieved when he beat George Foreman. End of story.



    Evidence proves that you don't know what the hell you're talking about and can't handle facts. Stop being a nuisance.

    You are a clown that can't comprehend an individuals greatness and know zilch about the history of Boxing. So you're obviously going to be brain-dead and therefore state gibberish that's not good to read at all. It's fact not opinion. Evidence is not needed when it's so simple to understand the obvious. They disagree because they can't handle facts so all of you fail miserably. Face it, your ignorance is blinding you from the truth.

    Again, it's a fact that Muhammad Ali is the Father of Boxing because of the stupendous feats that he achieved therefore rightfully giving him that prestigious status. Ali is the most popular and influential boxer of all time for a reason. He's the creme de la creme of Boxing.

    Everything that you've stated thus far is complete and utter nonsense. I suggest you google about Boxing history and gain some knowledge because you don't have any at the moment.

    You're hating because there's evidence suggesting that you can't handle the facts put in front of you. Plain and simple.

    You're just further proving your ignorance and stupidity. It's true, no boxer could compare to him because he achieved feats that puts him on a entirely different level compared to the rest. It's the truth that he has FOB status.

    Again, i'm just stating facts that your peanut-sized brain can't grasp and comprehend because your failing with having no knowledge and comprehension about this sport and it's king.

    You're obviously going to be predictable and call people "trolls" therefore being nothing but a nuisance that's waiting to be put in check. It's not normal to disagree with facts and that's the reality of it.

    You say Ali is the greatest of all time yet you have no clue about his greatness, how influential he was and still is, how much he did for the Boxing world, and the feats that he achieved. :lol:

    I'm not saying Muhammad Ali is perfect because no human being is perfect. Every athlete has flaws including the FOB because even he lost some Boxing matches. I'm only pointing out his greatness and what he's truly capable off in his prime.

    About the Fraizer situation. Have you ever thought to yourself if the 1st fight was fixed? And that's why Muhammad Ali was being so cruel to him? Think about it.

    Finally, what you need to understand is that Muhammad Ali shaped the Boxing world in what it is today. The Boxing world wouldn't of been what it is today if it wasn't for Muhammad Ali. So the sport owes him so much and it's a must for every single Boxing fan and boxer to respect him. He did so much for Boxing and you can't disregard that.


    You're missing the point. Like i said, the first person that ever boxed does not make them the Father of the sport. It's the person that changed the Boxing world and made it into what it is today and that's Muhammad Ali. No other boxer has done more to the sport than Muhammad Ali and that's a fact.


    Again, stop thinking that the very first people that boxed is the Father of Boxing because they haven't achieved half of what Muhammad Ali achieved in the sport of Boxing. They will just be remembered as the very first people that ever boxed and that's it.


    He did make history by becoming the first ever black heavyweight champion but that one single feat doesn't make him the FOB at all. Muhammad Ali has achieved so many feats that will not be accomplished by any other boxer because they're that mind-blowing.



    Yet another person thinking that one of first people that ever boxed is the FOB :lol: You guys make me laugh. Muhammad Ali easily surpassed all the Boxing legends that came before him. The proof is in the pudding. Ask anyone today who is the most popular and influential boxer of all time and they'll say Muhammad Ali. He will never be forgotten because of his illustrious career.
     
  6. Seamus

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    What is this blithering fukking nonsense?
     
  7. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    'sounds like one of the floyd dummies
     
  8. janitor

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    Muhammad Ali is the father of boxing.

    When he walks into the room, any boxer who is present stands in awe.

    Previously this title might have been held by Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey, but they have passed away now.

    Ali is the oldest living heavyweight champion, the greatest heavyweight still alive, and the person that all the current boxers idolize.

    In that sense he is an elder statesman or father figure.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    :lol: Janitor finds a way to right the sinking ship.
     
  11. Seamus

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    I met Ali twice. I was in awe. I would have been more in awe had I met Jack Johnson or Sam Langford or Harry Greb or a dozen others...
     
  12. janitor

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    I am sorry that they were unavailable!
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    If you're going to enshrine someone as being the patriarch of a given discipline on the sole basis of further achievement than his predecessors then you'd have to call Thomas Edison "The father of electricity" even though he had nothing to do with its discovery. Or Ivan Pavlov " The father of psychology " regardless of the fact that he was hardly a pioneer. In James Figg's era ( early 1700's. ) boxing was in its embryonic stage and Figg was the first to gain world recognition as one of its masters. As I stated before even Jack Dempsey called him " The father of modern boxing."
     
  14. BillB

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    Using your logic, when Ali is gone, Foreman will be the father of boxing, if he's still around.

    Boxing has had, and will have so many "fathers" that the title doesn't mean anything.
     
  15. burt bienstock

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    I am one dude who didn't LAP IT UP...He was no hero to me and millions of other Americans who heard from him hate speech,
    belittle his opponents as the decent Joe Frazier, join a hate group
    Black Muslims, Refused to serve his country when called upon.
    Picture how long any country would exist if we refused to serve because we didn't want to because of our politics ? We would have ANARCHY pure and simple. For example, in the WW2 era
    a famous actor of the time Lew Ayres, refused to serve in the Armed forces against Germany and Japan, claiming he was a
    "conscientious objector"...But he volunteered for the Ambulance Service, was in the middle of terrible action in Europe,saving lives, whilst risking his own. My generation, including friends that I lost, and myself who served while missing college, appreciated
    Lew Ayres actions...So Ali who I saw in the Golden Glove Finals and the FOTC at MSG, was NO HERO to me and millions of thoughtful and decent citizens who abhorred many of his actions, but hope for the best for him in his health ordeal today...
     
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