Muhammad Ali " Jack Dempsey Is A Joke " ?... no muhammad ali is a joke...proof

Toney actually has a lot of respect for the old time greats. He says he learned many of his tricks from watching films of Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles.

Mayweather on the other hand stated that he was greater than Sugar Ray Robinson and that he never lost to a lightweight like Leonard did (and brought up Hector Camacho :-().

Ali simply had his "The Greatest" act on but he did always say that Ray Robinson was the greatest pound for pound.

 

Screw him then.

 

You called Ali a joke, then make no valid argument. That is why everyone is starting to dump on you. You made more of an Ali was acting like a hypocrite argument than an Ali is a joke discussion.

Many posters here rank Ali as their top ever heavyweight, or somewhere there about. Calling him a joke without a substantive argument may get you called worse than "noob" before the day is out.

 

Ali talked out of his ass. He had a big mouth and was full of himself. He got caught up in his own hype and the frenzy that the whole world was throwing at him, and it went to his head. He said he was the Greatest, and though a good bit of that was to pump up the gate, I do think that except for in his quietest moments he believed it. But on this count Ali was not unique; a healthy dose of self delusion enables a fighter to do what he shouldn't be able to do. Ali was the first fighter to be so entertaining in front of the cameras; articulate! when the mainstream public believed every fighter had to speak like Slapsy Maxie Rosenbloom. I doubt even Slapsy Maxie spoke like Slapsy Maxie Rosenbloom. Ali, to the stereotyping public, was an anomaly. He had to be some kind of a miraculous freak to not speak in the Grazianoesque "dems" and "dese"s. And egged on by ratings whores like Cosell, at times Ali went too far, beyond what I'd bet he could justify once the cameras and the lights went dark. But it was his mouth and his looks, (he was, as he never let us forget, "Pretty"), his humor, (Young Ali was a funny guy), his charisma, (this guy rose above the mundane, the predictable, and did it both in and out of the ring)...

But all of this would be for naught, if he couldn't fight. But he could fight. He backed it up, when it mattered. Poor technique, even the casual fight fan knew it. Not much of a hook, he slapped at times? Yes, this and more. But he won, mostly he won. Like Dempsey, like Louis and Marciano, he beat the best of his time. For all the hero worshipping and the hero bashing, like Dempsey, Ali will remain one of the greatest to ever lace 'em up. Not too bad, right? Who amongst us wouldn't be flattered and in fact fulfilled to be considered one of the best to do what we do, whatever it is that we do?

 

Well, I'm a self-professed Ali fan. I love a boxer and for a HW he did it as well as any. His poor technique was always seen as a strength, however. He kept his hands low because it freed him up. He slapped and threw out love tap jabs more to find his distance, but they'd be counted as scores, and he knew that. If every great fighter in the history of the game can be credited for advancing the game, then Ali contributed as much to the effort as any ever did. A joke? Of course not. A jokester? Oh yeah, and one of the most entertaining ever. Don't you wish we had more like him? Don't all of us wish we had one like him. The guys who have tried to emulate him either in or out of the ring have paled in comparison.

 

Younger stylists tend to praise historical stylists, while younger knockout artists tend to praise historical knockout artists.

Does anybody know what opinions Ali expressed about Marciano's abilities before actually sparring with Rocky? If Muhammad had had a similar experience with Dempsey, he might have been surprised.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMIjkdhaCSA
6:40

 

How old are you??? Ten????

 

ali just liked the sound of his own voice ,half of the stuff he said i doubt he believed himself.it just made good telly

 

:roflYou take Ali and i suspect life too seriously!

 

Dabox is a ****** but i wouldn't go as far to call Dempsey a bum!