Muhammad Ali: The true p4p GOAT, or truely OVER RATED?

He has probably the best claim for Heavyweight competition. To me he is a p4p atg top ten lock based on that, but only 3 guys have an argument for P4P #1 GOAT in my view. He isn't any of them.

I really would have loved to see Ali-Louis.

 

All 3? :huh But seriously...

Sugar Ray Robinson is #1 ATG.
Ali has a very good argument to be recognized as the #1 Heavyweight in history...although it is down to opinion and personal preference.

And no...I don't believe he is overrated.

 

No the best ever p4p but imo the best heavyweight.

Ali schools Louis.:deal

 

Top 10 heavyweight. Not the best in my book.

 

Just top 10? The guy came out on top of the best era in Heavyweight boxing in my opinion, picking up wins over 2/3 ATG's in the process.

Some people (fans) are claiming the Klitschko's should now be in the top 10...when neither have a victory of an ATG, never mind 2/3.

 

No. Louis has the skillset that a few guys used to give Ali awful, awful fits. He can block and counter leads over the top like Norton did, he has one of the greatest left hooks to grace the game, and he was devastating on the inside. Ali's not one of the smaller guys who could navigate himself away from Joe in trouble spots for extended time. Here's a nice little article that sums up my thoughts on the matter.

 

Great but over-rated. The Norton trilogy should really make a HUGE dent on his legacy, and so should the Spinks fight. That would be the equivalent of Wlad losing to Kubrat Pulev in his next fight, only Pulev probably shows more promise. I know Ali was past-it a bit but come on, it's ****ing Leon Spinks.

 

When you look closely at these victories they are questionable. That's just how it is but people tend to believe the hype. Ali didn't rematch Foreman. He exactly knew why. Why was he constantly pulling Frazier's head down and was getting away with this illegal, outcome altering tactic multiple times. What about gift decisions? Everyone was/is so much "in his ass"...

 

Yeah you can't compare either Klitschko's resume to Ali's...not there fault obviously. Both need to keep winning, long reigns and dominating a division (weak or not) goes down well with a lot of people.

 

He didn't rematch Foreman because he probably knew he would be beaten...he was past his best. He pulled off an "impossible" victory against an unstoppable force in their first bout.
There have been plenty of boxers in the past and even today who use dirty tactics, and illegal moves to help win a bout. Does their legacy suffer?

Everyone has questionable decisions, it's boxing.

 

Exactly...I don't hear people argue that he is not in the top 3 Middleweights of All-Time because he has and does use dirty tactics to disrupt and ultimately defeat an opponent.