Muhammad Ali through old camera technology

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  1. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    maybe enough for him to adjust to the pro pace? A fighter in great condition for a 3 round world class amateur fight is in great condition. His conditioning won't change much as a pro fighting longer fights, he'll just learn to slow to the pro pace. Amateurs fight good competition all the time, they seldom get to choose who they'll fight and if they are in a tournament, all but one fighter is going to lose per weight class. I'm starting to wonder how long a fighter can be a pro until he starts losing his "fine" edge that was achieved at the world class amateur level?
     
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    Ali had no idea about fighting in close at this stage of his career. Even later ,when he fought Cooper the first time,Cooper stated when they went into a clinch Ali just waited for the ref to break them.Cooper 's style was to throw a hook just as the ref called them to break.He said in their second fight Ali was wise to this and either pushed him out of range and stepped back or held his arms till they were separated.
     
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  3. Rope-a-Dope

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    Even like that, I still think Ali looks far better than any early 20th century fighter.
     
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  4. Pat M

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    Ali's technique looks so good in that video that I'd forgotten that the video quality was supposed to be bad. Now that you mention it, Lamar Clark looks better than the early fighters too, and he is fighting excellent competition. Stick Clark in the ring with one of the slow, stiff, old timers and he'd probably look like a great fighter by comparison. If he was in one of the old videos beating up somebody like Corbett, Moran, or Willard, there would probably be threads on this board about Clark vs. Ali, Tyson, and Lewis and the ones who are partial to the old fighters would be picking him to win!
     
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  5. FrankinDallas

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    Did this guy Clay eventually have a decent career?
     
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    Mysteriously, the man named Cassius Clay seemed to completely vanish after some time in 1964. Although Ernie Terrell seemed to make reference to him in 1967.
     
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  7. FrankinDallas

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    He forgot his own name. Had to ask Floyd Patterson what his name was. Over and over.

    Sad.
     
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  8. Bokaj

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    Ssme here. I actually think these snippets disproves the point @reznick tries to make.
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

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    Hoist with his own petard.
     
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    Do you agree or disagree with my comments?
     
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  11. Entaowed

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    That was Terrell.
     
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  12. escudo

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    Still looks like a beast to me. Not peak either. I think this might have blown up in your face a bit homie.
     
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    Well of course he still looks like a beast.
    SRR looks great with the same camera tech.
    You and others have completely misconstrued what I said, and were expecting a clip of Ali actually looking bad. Which wouldn’t be accomplished simply filming him in 1950’s cameras.

    My point is meant to show the gap between what you’re able to perceive from his fights based on different eras of camera technology.

    If you’re going to pretend that this fight, filmed with the cameras it was filmed with, captured all the nuances you’re able to glean from the footage of fights like the Williams, Liston, Foreman, and Frazier fights, such as the hair splitting slips, the punching arsenal, the facial expressions, stamina expenditure, the physics of his overall movement, and countless other elements lost to older film technology, you’re a complete joke. And have chosen to neglect common sense for the opportunity to disagree with me.
     
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    If you can’t say that the second video captures Ali’s skills and greatness far better than the first, you are in my eyes a bull**** artist.

    You can see exactly how he sets his feet. You can sense the weight distribution. You can see the exact type of punch used, and you can see how and where it lands easily. You can see the facial expressions of the fighters, which provides additional data into the state of the fighters, you can feel the power of the punches, and you just get a far more realistic view into Ali’s ring abilities.

    Perhaps people misconstrued my original post so I’ll give a bit of leeway. But if you understood my post fully and agree that the film technology makes no difference, you’re blind.
     
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  15. reznick

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    Nobody in the world disagrees that film technology makes a massive difference to the subjects.

    Only on ESB where interpersonal dynamics and agendas come before common sense and truth.

    Show me a film made before the 60’s that’s as visually stunning as a film like The Grand Budapest. Because what people in this thread are saying is that as long as you film it the exact same way using 50’s cameras, nothing will be lost on you.

    Demented
     
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