Muhammad Ali v Larry Holmes 1975

Ali vs Holmes in 1975? I think Ali handles him as he was basically a sparring partner that Ali knew inside and out. Holmes just left Ali after the Wepner fight in 75.

 

I agree.

Any time after the thrilla in oct 75 tho, Holmes beats him.

 

Ali would still handle Holmes up until Manila............ After Manila, Holmes beats Ali........... The Holmes of 1976 would've and could've beaten any of the dudes like Ali, Foreman & Frazier in '76.............. I am sold on Holmes............... Holmes was held-back by Don King until the smoke was clear for Holmes to fully take over........ King started moving Holmes quickly by late 1977.............. From '78 thru '82, Holmes was in his prime and unbeatable............

MR.BILL

 

Ali of 75 beats holmes. He still had enough left to beat holmes, still possessing that sneaky, sizzling right hand wich would catch and stun holmes often. This would negate the effectiveness of holmes jab and he would be more hesitant to throw it. Ali would also win most of the exchanges because of superior combination punching. Ali by unanimous decision.

 

yep that's how it is.
after the thrilla it will be a different story but untill that there was still enough of the old ali left. but a 76/77 or later version of ali will loose.

 

I favor Holmes in this. Ali had trouble with good jabbers. Look at the Doug Jones fight, and the Ken Norton fight, to see this. When you had a guy who'd extend that jab when Ali pulled back, he could catch him. I think the best version of Ali beats the swarmers and slow slugging types, but still struggles with a mobile and durable boxer with a solid jab. People say Ali knew Holmes style well because they sparred, but doesn't that mean Holmes also knew Ali's style ?

 

In 1975 Holmes was still a far cry from the great fighter he became in 1978. Holmes's physique was still filling out in 1975, and he didn't have the ring polish necessary to threaten Ali just yet.

Ali would have won an easy decision over Holmes in 1975. At best, Larry would have gone the distance with Ali. No more.

 

It's not just what Ali had left but Holmes lack of experience. The Ali that beat Wepner and Bugner was basically the Ali of Zaire while a 1975 Holmes was still very inexperienced...

 

Holmes said Ali kicked him out of his camp because he was " too fast " for him. While Holmes did lack a resume in 1975, he was in with plenty of talent including Ali in the gym.

 

There are several ways this claim from Holmes can be taken. It's very possible that Ali was looking for something else in his sparring as opposed to having to prove he was indeed the king (he was, so why bother going there behind closed doors). It's also possible Ali cut him loose simply based on the fact that the styles he would be facing on the go-forward didn't mesh with the kind of sparring Holmes would further provide. Recognizing the unmistakable talent in Holmes, why further educate the up and comer on his weaknesses when they one day might fight?

A sparring partner shouldn't potentially be your greatest threat, or even necessarily a mirror image.

In any event, Holmes has always been quick and often transparent in the self flattery department.

 

in 75 it is just a little early for holmes ali gets a close decision win

 

Ali wins. If Holmes starts getting crafty, Ali K.O.'s him.

 

Ali would have won a wide UD over 15 rounds over Holmes.Too much experience.Was Holmes even ranked in 1975?