Muhammad Ali v Usyk..

Tell me, what about his style has exposed him to be so much worse than Ali? The fact he's beaten great fighters who are the same size as past heavies in more convincing fashion in their backyards? I don't remember any shadiness from Usyk's corner to win a fight, or judges giving him a favourable call. In fact that's never been the case with him because he's done everything the hard way. He's a far more proven amateur no less, you can't just think Ali was the best boxing could be. He was not even close to what a perfect boxer is. Usyk has a style much like Ali's that allows him to move around and break down opponents, take little to no damage and do what real champions do, clean up the division in short order, back to back. Usyk has achieved a lot for a man with so few fights. You'd be a fool to underestimate him.

 

Don't feed the trolls Charles.
He is only 21 and has a lot to learn if he opens his mind.

 

You just ****ed yourself up with that last sentence

 

Not really, just saying what's right. A prime Ali wasn't even 210lbs, that's what cruisers weigh in and around nowadays. **** me a big heavy back then was 220lbs, that's what the ****ing big cruisers weigh as well. Usyk doing well against modern heavies is irrelevant in the conversation of Ali as they have both essentially fought mostly cruiserweights. Now tell me, when did Usyk ever look out of his depth at cruiser? I bet Ali couldn't hack it as well in the modern heavyweight division. He wouldn't be able to get the respect of the big boys with his punch. Something Usyk will have to work around too but at least he's well accustomed to these times unlike Ali. That's why with each era it's worth noting that slight improvements will always be made to the overall quality of fighter, fighting styles, etc. To think Ali wasn't just a cruiser fighting mostly other cruisers is laughable.

 

Ok let me see.

Who would you say wins between joshua vs ali

And fury vs ali

 

Fury and Joshua would win, are you stupid? Lennox Lewis would do the same, as would the Klitschkos. They're all bigger fighters and the skill gap isn't big enough for Ali to win. Weight classes exist for a reason. Ali would be a cruiser today. Remember Haye, Chambers and Mormeck vs Klitschko? How did those go? Do you think Ali could even reach them with his jab? ****ing idiot.

 

Chill just trying to see your logic and under stand to see if you arent biased


You are using size as a logic i can respect that.

So u arent an usyk fanboy

 

My god have you not seen how FAST Ali was??
How he moved so quick?? The combinations?
Usyk would be facing a fighter FASTER then him.
Hes had what seventeen fights??? And what good heavyweight has he beaten?
Fury is so great now because he beat WILDER?
My god WILDER is HORRIBLE. A couple of months ago didnt he struggle with WALLIN???
Dont care how tall he is. Guess who else was tall?
Michael Grant was 6'7. Jameel MCCline 6'6.
Valuev was 7'0. Want me to keep going?

 

I'm not the type to fanboy anyone, I view my boxing matchups based on styles, size and form. Obviously nothing is ever surefire in boxing but one thing I can say is that the modern super heavies owned the division once Lewis started the phase. Think about it, we haven't looked back since then. It's now always going to come down to the big boys with skills.

 

You do realise that Ali was a cruiserweight and almost all of his opponents were? Usyk has been way more dominant with men that size than Ali was and he's done it in their backyards. Ali is not the greatest heavy ever, **** I'd love to see what the Klitschkos, Lewis or Fury would do to him. One word. Smoked.

 

Let me tell you how it is. And Im not an Ali fan(Holmes).
You will NEVER see another Ali again. The way he just floated in the ring an ENTIRE fight. The combinations. Slipping 5/6 punches going BACKWARDS.
Many have tried to duplicate him but have failed.

 

A proud man like Frazier, it would've cut deep...Me personally, i'd hate Ali until the day he died if my kids come home crying repeatedly because kids at school were calling their Dad a Gorilla..Imo, and it is just my opinion, theres never been an Ali performance that would beat the FOTC Frazier. He was an extremely hard man to beat that night, he toyed with Ali at times

 

I dont agree with your opinion but i respectfully disagree

I can usyk giving ali problems tho due to volume and workrate

 

You know that's absolute nonsense.