Muhammad Ali v Usyk..

Goulamirian prob gets roasted by a lot of top guys. He's just a come forward typical Abel Sanchez guy without the fundamentals to fall back on. He's lucky Merhy was so green. Would rather see him fight Egorov in a mindless brawler. Or Makabu.

Briedis is not that big. He's not bigger than Usyk. There will be guys with 50 pounds on Usyk.

 

Oh I know what you mean, I'm just remarking that he's a thick physical beast of a man that will try to push you about in there and that even Usyk would struggle with that. Hell Manuel Charr couldn't hack it and he's a full fledged heavy.

 

His jab was good, but it wasn't special. It wasn't a forceful ramrod jab that got your attention or a quick flicking jab that stifled your work. He kinda just used it to set up pitty Pat headshot combos. He knew how to set up a killer punch well. Hell he was still a great technician but he lacked body punching and a great jab. It really was his feet that set him apart. Norton matched him in many of those fields and even outdid him in others, hence why I think he really got the better of Ali each time. For some reason the onus was always on Norton to nick the rounds despite him being the better boxer over the course of the three fights consistently. The fact the first fight was a split decision at all was a joke. I think he won the other two. Norton was the Ali killer even if he wasn't the greatest heavyweight in general.

 

I mean, I don't think anybody would pick Manuel Charr over Usyk. This thread is about Muhammad Ali lol. We're talking about good fighters who are also big.

 

Ali wasn't that big. He'd only be a cruiser in today's boxing. 210 max at his peak and 230 when he was old and flabby.

 

So Briedis is a tank and Ali isn't that big? lol. At least be consistent.

 

There is nothing to suggest that Usyk beats Ali nothing. Ali's resume is great and can't be questioned. The very best of Ali was taken away from us as well due to him being in prison. Let Usyk beat some fighters of note at HW before saying he beats the GOAT at HW. It would be like saying Beterbiev beats Usyk or Holyfield at CW who are the 2 best at CW without beating anyone of note at that weight, it's ridiculous to suggest it.

 

I'm terms of how he's built. He's about two inches shorter but he weighs the same if not more. So yes he's a tank and Ali isn't that big, FOR A HEAVYWEIGHT. Context matters so don't just ignore it for some stupid point you're trying to make.

 

We're comparing them in the context of fighting Usyk. Young Ali didn't even fight on the inside. That convo stemmed from how Usyk would fair against modern heavies who are huge. In terms of Usyk fighting Ali, that would almost unquestionably be an outfight. Like, maybe Ali pulls his head down a bunch as he was wont to do. I think Usyk would certainly have faired better against guys more his size in general. Size matters. That's why we have weightclasses. This century has been dominated by the biggest good guy. I doubt Usyk bucks that trend. Whyte-Parker is a perfect blueprint. As I said though, ranking Usyk at HW is tough when we haven't seen him there. I love cruiserweight, but I do think his resume was very inflated by people unfamiliar with those fighters.

 

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Usyk isn't big enough for heavyweight in the end. We do need weight classes for that reason after all, it'd also prove that Ali wouldn't hang with the modern heavies either though.

 

Ali was evasive when he was smaller and insanely durable when he was bigger. Let baby George Foreman wail on him for rounds on end. Of course, the best modern big men aren't as willing to gas themselves. The Steward brand of heavy is a very systematic and consistent fighter who is risk averse. Ali definitely proved more about standing up to big HWs than Usyk has. Like, he beat Joyce, but 3 rounds in headgear are favorable conditions.

 

What, bigger stronger fighters than Ali, how is that a gauge ?

No its not, they are much bigger men than Beterbiev, Usyk isn't moving up a weight to fight Ali, this is plain to see. Beterbiev is 25lb lighter than them boys at weigh in, they are different weights and the biggest weight jump in boxing, also Ali isn't the best h2h heavy either, unless your one of the few remaining fans that don't want to accept that fighters have got bigger and better since time began. The best Lewis beats the best Ali, hands down, then you got the klit's, then you got Fury, Holyfields another one, whos a better version of Norton.

 

Ali was in fact a height of 6 ft 3 inches not 6 ft 2 inches. Ali at his very best weighed 215/216 against both Zora Folley and Cleveland “Big Cat” Williams before he was exiled and the strange thing was he was getting better. The exile robbed of his peak. Mike Tyson was at his best fighting weight at 217 pounds 3/4. Usyk has just moved to heavyweight as an amateur he was not a Super Heavyweight and fought most of his professional career at Cruiserweight. Let’s see how he does before matching in a fantasy fight against the Greatest. Evander Holyfield stands alone as the greatest Cruiserweight in history. David Haye has a case for the number 2 spot with Usyk though I personally give it to Usyk. Ali is not a modern day Cruiserweight as he always boxed over 200 pounds as a professional beating the crap out of fighters of all sizes including what you would call Super Heavyweights. Size did not bother Ali all get their asses kicked. Please get your facts right before you come into arguments with people learned and versed in the sport. Come with humility and we shall educate you kindly.