Muhammad Ali vs Ernie Terell

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by -mojo, Aug 18, 2018.


  1. -mojo

    -mojo content creator Full Member

    40
    36
    Aug 7, 2017
    This content is protected


    check out my video on Ali vs Terell

    do ya'll think Ali could have knocked out Terell and he was purposely drawing the fight out to inflict more punishment?
     
    escudo and Bokaj like this.
  2. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,298
    4,628
    May 13, 2014
    I cant believe it been nearly 2 years since wrote this https://imgur.com/gallery/45u05
     
    Bokaj likes this.
  3. -mojo

    -mojo content creator Full Member

    40
    36
    Aug 7, 2017
    escudo likes this.
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,843
    12,536
    Jan 4, 2008
    Ali at his absolute peak. He had had good preparation with six defenses the year before and his concentration and motivation was very high for this one.

    Think he tried to KO Ernie, but couldn't, though, despite the legend of Ali refusing to go for the kill. Terrell was durable and in shape and didn't expose his chin behind that high guard. Such a fighter is very, very hard to stop. If Ali had gone more to the body, I think he would have done it, though.

    In Escudo's last GIF, one can see how Terrell winces after a rare left, right to his ribs, which he had to expose in order to protect his face with that long upper body. Had Ali been more consistent with that kind of attack, I think he would have broken Ernie down and opened him up for the kill.
     
    escudo likes this.
  5. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

    1,112
    882
    Nov 12, 2016
    I loved Ali , but was there ever a fighter around who such exagerated myths and legends grew ?
     
  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    13,098
    11,301
    Mar 19, 2012
    The media raised an issue with this fight regarding Ali being more cruel than necessary. There were still alot of the old guard around who covered Joe Louis.
    What could they write about? Ali was dominant and nobody could touch him at that time. They had to focus on something negative. It was all too scary to have someone different up there.
     
    SHADAPBLAD likes this.
  7. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,714
    3,450
    Jan 6, 2007
    Re-reading Terrell's statements pre- & post-fight indicate he did better against the prime Ali than he is given credit for. Especially the claim re: Ali thumbing him in the eye early in the fight.
     
  8. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,018
    414
    Sep 25, 2005
    Longhorn, in the early 70's Earnie and I talked and he very calmly showed me how Ali thumbed him in close during the first round. For the rest of the fight he said everything was a blur and the best he could do was keeping his hands up and surviving. Even without this I have never been impressed with Ali's performance in this bout.
     
  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,714
    3,450
    Jan 6, 2007
    Thank you for providing this info ^.
     
    timmers612 likes this.
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,843
    12,536
    Jan 4, 2008
    A fighter with an excuse for a humiliating loss? Now that's a first.
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2018
    JohnThomas1 likes this.
  11. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,864
    2,036
    Apr 1, 2005
    Interestingly I was actually in Louisville yesterday and today (RIP champ).

    In his biography of Ali, Thomas Hauser wrote that the word coming out of Ali's camp after the fight was that, as everyone knows, Ali wanted to prolong Terrell's torture. Then he put his foot on the gas pedal, but after Terrell navigated his way through Ali's attempts to finish things, Ali found that he became arm-weary much more quickly than he expected. After exhausting himself, Ali just accumulated punishment without being able to put away Earnie, who despite being mob-backed was a legitimately world class fighter who was tough, cagey, and proud. That said, if Muhammad had gone for the kill from the jump it probably would have resembled the fight with Zora Folley, who was also tough, cagey, and proud.

    Hauser's explanation holds water. Ali was fighting frequently around this time because he knew he was facing legal jeopardy surrounding the Vietnam controversy. I seem to remember watching archival footage from that era where Ali was complaining about burnout. Possibly ahead of the Mildenberger fight. That could correspond with tiring unusually early in a fight.
     
  12. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,298
    4,628
    May 13, 2014
    Depends on who you believe. Melankamos of Caria was supposedly never hit. Or threw a punch. Still won a gold medal in the ancient greek Olympics. Theagenes of Thasos and Euthymos of Lokroi were literally worshiped by cults.
     
    Bokaj and HerolGee like this.
  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,026
    Sep 22, 2010
    this VV
     
  14. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,026
    Sep 22, 2010
    mhuaha! awesome.

    "With regard to his boxing, claims for him a unique style: he would totally avoid the punches of the other boxer without throwing any himself. Dio says he never lost a match, hit an opponent, or was struck by an opponent. Themistius reports that the emperor Titus was his lover "
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,334
    Jun 29, 2007
    Didn't Terrell say was thumbed in the eye or something? IMO Ali tired to stop him, but couldn't.