muhammad Ali vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds

I think it was stylstic. A pressuring approach is going to be more successful than trying to out jab him. Ali's length, speed, and mobility made him a nightmare match up for Liston. I do recall Liston actually having some success going to Ali's body, when he was said to be blinded.

Jones was coming off too high profile knockout wins over Bob Foster and Zora Foley. He was an underdog but a serious opponent none the less. I believe Ali took most every fight pretty seriously, even when he appeared to be clowning.

At any rate if you are going to make a case for a 185 lb 5'10 pressure fighter, you are naturally going to look to Jones, Cooper, and Frazier as the best possible analogies.

 

Yup. I was thinking Holmes!

Regarding the Foreman bout, Ali was working Foreman. I don't think it was merely Foreman running out of gas. Ali was punishing him with sharp head shots, lead rights that were on the mark. Foreman's legs start to go by the fourth. Sometimes it is informative to relook at even the most tired classics!

 

Ya I just looked into it and i believe your right!

 

http://youtu.be/G-Yi-7YdmtU

Ali Vs Shavers..Last round!

 

The Rock would have pounded Clay. This version of Clay wasn't strong enough to compete with a destroyer like The Rock was. Rocky would have walked through Clays pit pat jab and punches to pound the body.

If Chuvalo was able to work over Clay then you can bet that Rocky would have knocked him out. Rocky pressures Clay, and late in the fight knocks Clay down and out with a Susie Q to the jaw.

 

I wished that they would just forbid Ali threads on here, as along with SRR the majority will never concede that they could feasibly be beaten.

I rate Ali the 2nd greatest HW behind Louis, and don't think very many could beat him....but as with all of the other ATG's there are always certain styles that I believe would effective against others.

There are really only 3 ATG's that I would pick to beat Ali....Frazier of course, Joe Louis and yes, I think Rocky has the style to beat Ali as well.

But for all intents and purposes Ali is winning this like 27-9 75% of the votes....this might be as close as anyone come to beating Ali on this forum...which speaks volumes, about the perceived style match-up in this fight.

 

I know where you're coming from and I agree. He's my favourite all time fighter but I've no problem with people picking greats like Louis and Marciano over him.
It's when some who are usually revisionist state that he's vastly overrated,was lucky, fights were fixed etc that gets people like myself defending him.
I mean if you read some posts he lost a dozen fights and was knocked down a dozen times in his carreer, and every journeyman from the early sixties until the eighties could have beat him!

 

Those statements do seem to be becoming more prevelant. I don't think anyone is unbeatable.....I read a couple today, and had to go back and review footage to see if he beat Cooper.

 

Neither Cooper or Jones fought remotely like Marciano .

 

Yeah ,quick handed fighters like Ellis and Patterson beat the **** out of Ali didn't they?

 

Ellis and Patterson have pretty decent records against the best of the 60's and 70's, if they were outgunned by Ali that speaks well for him, imo.

 

I carefully constructed the wording of that in the hopes a response like this wouldn't happen and yet here we are....atsch

"Because Cooper and Jones have more physically and stylistically in common with Marciano than Liston. "

There's no point in further explaining a sentence that explains itself.

 

Well I'm slightly older than McVey, and I don't remember seeing Cooper fight out of a crouch the way Marciano did.

 

"Because Cooper and Jones have more physically and stylistically in common with Marciano

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:think That last part is key, you also have to consider the context of the statement and the post I was responding to.

I was telling another poster why Cooper is being talked about more than Liston in this thread, and yet you two seem to have isolated on a few key words and made it into something else entirely.

People shouldn't be surprised that a shorter 185 lb fighter(in shoes) decking Ali with a phonebooth left hook is going to be brought up more than Ali's success against Liston in a proposed fantasy meeting between Marciano and Ali. I cannot make it any clearer than that, if you wish to continue to argue the differences between Cooper and Marciano, you are first going to have to find someone who is under the impression they are the same.

 

Easy tiger. I wasn't out to pick you apart, but since you mention it, other than being similar weights, i really don't see what the 6 foot one and a half inch ( southpaw, forced to fight orthodox ) upright Cooper, has in common with the 5 foot eleven crouching Marciano.

The reason I mentioned the southpaw part bis because Henry told me on a golf course when I noticed he played left handed, and asked if he was ambidextrous.