muhammad Ali vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds

I could easily see the double left hook Marciano liked to throw catching Ali here and Frazier did it again in the 11th and 15th of fight 2

 

Are you blind, ******ed or both?

Not one of Clays shots went clean over the top of Coopers head. He didn't once punch Clay from a crouch, and the money shot came from Henry ducking his head down, and throwing the hook from his full height.

You really need to get your eyes tested, or learn to see what you are watching.

Now post film of Marciano fighting, whoever you like, and look to see what you described as " similar styles "

These were your exact words " stylistically similar "

Bull****.

 

Yeah, Marciano had a nice double hook like the already referenced Matthews knockout. And exactly right, Cooper is doing in spots what Frazier would take full advantage of in 71. Throughout his career, Ali for whatever reason had lapses when he missed with his left and was open for a left hook.

Marciano would also dig to the body like Chuvalo.

 

I'm none of these things, but you are a troll. Denying something that is plain in your face on video. I'm also sick of you and McVey both crediting me for a comment I did not say and have clarified 100 times over. I have no time for your bull****, and since I see no apology or admitance of you being flat out WRONG, you have made a big fool of yourself, and I will not be responding to you anymore. :hi:

 

The only one making a fool of themselves is you with your frankly ridiculous claim that Copper has more in common stylistically with Marciano than he does with Liston.

There are plenty of still images, never mind film footage of Marciano on his tree trunk legs, crouching with his right knee a matter of inches from the canvas about to spring up and punch someone.

Post two different images of Cooper doing the same.

Alternatively find dozens of film footage examples of Cooper fighting in the usual European upright stance throwing jabs, and hooking off the jab, which has more in common stylistically with Liston.

I neither need or want apologies, as I'm not as egotistical as you. I'll just settle for the images / film footage or both to be self explanatory.

As for trolling, I think you'll find you are the troll with your persistence in claiming similarities between fighters that simply didn't exist.

Another point is physically Cooper and Liston were almost the same height though Liston enjoyed a 9 inch wing span advantage, whereas Cooper enjoyed an 8 inch wingspan advantage over Marciano.

It is well known that part of Liston's gimmick was to put a towel around his shoulders then put his robe on creating the impression that his already big shoulders were massive.

Also it was said he didn't in fact weigh 218, rather he put weights inside his shorts to bump it up, and he was actually nearer 208. Still a sizeable advantage but not the 30 lbs plus that folks claim.

 

That wil be a tragedy for him.atsch

 

So what is your take on at the very least the knockdown punch.

Is Cooper ducking under Ali's left hand and coming up to throw a hook?

Or is he only ducking his head for no apparent reason and throwing a hook?


:think

 

Marciano gave consistant pressure I would not call it high volume, he was nowhere near as fast with either his hands or his feet , or as intense as Joe Frazier .
Frazier was high volume pressure.There's your example.

Cooper had 8 inches reach on Rocky and he only dropped Ali once in two fights.

The scores for the Chuvalo fight were
65-73. 63-74. 62-74. That's a pretty emphatic victory. George at no time had Ali in trouble and he treated his body attack with disdain.Talking to him while he banged away at his body he could have danced away if he was in any trouble.

 

-Off the top of my head, Marciano had 100 or very near that number, power punch rounds against Moore and Charles. Just an endless swarm of heavy punches, that's pretty high volume. Situation depending it was something he was capable of.

-And that knockdown came in the phonebooth. When Cooper tried to jab and box Ali from range, he got shredded.

-I mentioned it was a clear win for Ali because he could pile up points at will but he took heavy punishment. The first rounds he trash talked, but as the fight wore on, the body attack was bothering him clearly and slowed him down. I don't think Ali enjoyed passing blood after the fight. Flukey Quarry stoppage aside, Chuvalo also wasn't a huge puncher, he couldn't move Patterson from what I recall.

 

Here's Henry Cooper's take.
"I went after Clay, thowing as many left hooks as I could hoping that one would land.Suddenly I had him.I jabbed once twice, three times. Each time he went back back, back.But now he was right back on the ropes and he couldnt go any farther.The fourth punch hit him a genuine left hook,a more curved punch compared with the jab, out to in, with all my power behind it". How many jabs have you seen Marciano throw in a fight?

Ali was vulnerable to a quick left hook ,Marciano's money punch was his right cross. It should also be kept in mind that Ali improved dramatically after the first Cooper fight.

 

I love it when fools get so desperate, that they try to claim that what can clearly be seen isn't happening. Cooper does NOT crouch down a la Marciano to spring back up to floor Ali, he merely dips his head, lifts it back up to his normal height, and bang.

The reason for this is quite simple. His legs were nowhere near as strong as those logs coming out of Marciano's hips.

 

Really man, just watch the footage. Ali threw a left hand, Cooper ducked, and came up to land the hook.

Ali then became more offensive. Notice how Ali threw a lazy hook while backed up against the ropes which Cooper ducked and then then seized the opening to find his man.

http://misaklimes.wordpress.com/tag/henry-cooper/

The Suzie was money and he would need it to win but Marciano also had a left hook that was no joke either.

If we are going to continue you are going to have to at least awknowledge Cooper ducked a punch, I don't care about the context, just awknowledge he dipped under a punch to create the opening for the hook. Don't be like Foxy up there. I'm not asking you to believe in unicorns, this is something captured on film and really happened and easily accessible in the digital age we live in.

 

this flick shows some good highlights of the left hook counter and body shots but watch the Moore fight and the Matthew fight for the Marciano double left hook

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b0yHvw-vW0

 

They can't even bother to watch the Cooper/Clay fight they are arguing about. Cooper did not throw the hooks I pointed out off the jab, he created the openings by ducking under Clay's left hand.

 

For effs sake McVey, just You Tube the Cooper / Clay round 4 video, and tell this goon that Cooper does NOT duck under anything to drop Clay in the clip.

Forget even that old Enery is telling us " I showed him one left, then another left, then when he couldn't go back any further I hit him with the left hook. "

Just tell him what you SEE.