Muhammad Ali vs Rocky Marciano - Resumes (Read the OP)

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  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    We're talking about Ali after his first retirement from boxing. None of his fights in the 70s are included here.

    So two undefeated champions, who has a better resume, Rocky at 49-0 or Ali at 29-0.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Rocky has

    Louis
    Walcott
    Charles
    Moore

    Ali has

    Liston
    Patterson
    Moore
    Williams

    It's hard to say.

    I think taking the respective versions

    Liston beats Walcott
    Patterson beats Charles
    Moore from Rocky beats Moore from Ali
    Louis beats Williams.

    So top 4 victories I split em two a piece.

    After that Rocky has LaStarza, ****ell, Matthews, Layne and Savold.

    Ali has Terrell, Folley, Cooper, Chuvalo, Jones.

    Very evenly matched.

    I'm gonna give the edge to Ali cos I think the Liston he beat beats everyone who Rock beat. Walcott is the hardest style for him but I think he catches up to him like Rocky did.
     
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  3. Pugilist_Spec

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    There's no way the corpse of Williams belongs on that list. He wouldn't make my top 10, given his state. Terrell belongs on that list for sure, maybe even ahead of Patterson. His record going into the Ali fight is extremely underrated.

    Also more of a personal choice of mine, but I'd replace Moore with Mildenberger. A somewhat underrated win for Ali.
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I would agree with this but I think I should add Rex Layne to Marciano list who after all had wins over two lineer champions and was highly rated. If we add Mildenburger and Jones maybe there's even something of a case for Lastarza and Mathews.

    At the 29 fight stage I think Ali has a good resume.
    The order I would put them in would be:

    Liston,
    Terrell,
    Patterson,
    Mildenburger,
    Foley,
    Jones,
    Cooper,
    Moore
    Lavorante.

    I put Rockys list in this order

    Walcott
    Charles
    Moore
    Layne
    Louis
    Lastarza
    ****ell
    Mathews
    Savold
     
    choklab, Jun 6, 2016
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