Muhammad Ali vs Ron Lyle

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  1. boxingmemories

    boxingmemories Member Full Member

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    In this fight Ali was behing on all scorecards but in the 11th round he hurt Lyle with a right, that sent Lyle skittering backwards, dazed and confused. Ali chased him, landing some heavy shots and beckoned to the referee to stop the contest. Lyle was battered, but with pride and brains intact. Many said that the referre shouldnt have stopped the fight. I disagree because if you see the fight Lyle could not defend himself.
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only sadists could say that Lyle could have carried on. I've seen steadier legs on drunks at closing time,than on Lyle after Ali was repeatedly hitting him.
     
  3. boxingmemories

    boxingmemories Member Full Member

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    I agree, Lyle could not even keep his arms up.......
     
  4. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Time for a standing 8-count, which should be allowed, to give the referee a
    chance to check the fighters condition.

    Safety first.
     
  5. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lyle's head was starting to immitate a Speedbag, once you are being hit with that degree of speed and accuracey, i'd like to think most ref's would act promptly and accordingly.
     
  6. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Muhammad unloaded 46 unanswered punches with no sign of even an attempt to return fire by Ron. Ali literally battered a foundering, drunkenly tottering Lyle clockwise from one neutral corner, to Ron's corner, then the other neutral corner. Lyle was no longer able to compete, and there were nearly two minutes left in the round. This scenario was very different from the quick recovery he made when Jerry Quarry staggered him to the ropes with a hook. There's no way Ron was coming back from this.
     
  7. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is where an experienced and smart fighter takes a knee, rises and continues.

    Ron, not the quickest-thinker in the ring.
     
  8. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He made an effort to clinch as he staggered from his corner to the coffin corner, but Ali tucked in his elbows and kept his distance, so Lyle was neither able to bear hug him like Monzon did Briscoe, or slip his arms underneath Muhammad's to neutralize. (Shavers wasn't particularly good at preventing clinches by hurt opponents, something which cost him dearly after he dropped Mercado and others.)

    We tend to lionize those who have granite chins and can stand up to a shot. Some shrewd veterans like Moore didn't care about such things in earlier eras, and would go down to buy time and an opportunity to recuperate. Archie thus was able to extend himself into round nine with Marciano, until it became clear he had no chance to prevail, even on a rounds basis.
     
  9. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    When Ali unloaded in that last combo he really snapped Lyle's head back thats when any sane referee will stop the fight
     
  10. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was Lyle ahead in the scorecards, or was it too close to call.

    I do remember Ron trying to get cute in Round 11, and got caught with a
    straight right, which hurt him.
     
  11. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bill Kipps had Lyle ahead 49-43, and Art Lurie 46-45, while John Mangriciana had them deadlocked at 46-46. My subjective impression at the time was that Ron was leading in a very tensely conservative chess match. These former sparring partners were playing it close to the vest, but I had the sense that Lyle was starting to crack, and I was mindful of Ali's late surge against Wepner.
     
  12. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By rounds,
    Lyle (7-1-2)
    Lyle (5-4-1)
    Even (4-4-2)

    5 Ringside Sports Writers interviewed after the fight
    Lyle (6-3-1)
    Lyle (5-3-2)
    Lyle (5-1-4)
    Lyle (6-2-2)
    Lyle (5-3-2)
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I remember Howard cosell (entertaining but not the best reader of a fight) not being impressed with the fight until that point. Ali often took his time, gave away rounds and make the other guy work, it paid off here -as it often did.
     
  14. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Though Ali did win by a Round 11 TKO.
    It was not overly impressive.

    Little Jimmy Young had spanked Ron Lyle previously, and completely neutralized
    Lyle by just a little movement.

    Jimmy pitched a near 10-Round shut-out.
     
  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    In this match-up I believe Lyle would win. I have learned he was the most impressive specimen to ever enter a ring. He did 100 push-ups a day and touched his toes regularly while in prison. Prime Ali would not stand a chance.