Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston Color 720p

Liston was more intimidated by the black muslims than he was by Clay/Ali.

 

Have to agree after years of defending it. I was trained in the anchor punch and a light looking one can drop and stun a fighter, it happened with me a number of times, but thats with the body behind it and Ali's just seems to have been an arm punch. He did get a little twist on it, maybe it did stun Sonny. Going into this bout the reports said Liston was just out of it physically so perhaps that played into it.

 

The Anchor punch was brilliantly timed,and combined with Liston heading straight on to it,spelt knockdown. Not enough to seriously hurt Sonny,but it disorientated him for a bit,imo.

 

yeah i dont think ali ever took a step forward in his career and never knocked anyone out with one punch it was a fix

 

a total fix.
though what nat fleischer was doing i don't know.he was a boxing writer and not a fighter, manager, promoter or judge.joe walcott should have given the little nosey gnome a smack and shut him up.
anquor punch=flick of the wrist.

 

thank god ive found someone on this forum who is not so far up ali's ass that everything he did was great

 

I think it was a great shot from Ali but I think what happened was - I've slowed it down frame by frame before and Liston over reached with the jab and he steps forward with his left foot - quite a step aswell - and the shot hit him when his left foot was in the air so all his weight had left his back foot and was to be taken on the lead foot when he finish the step but when he got hit with that ancor punch basically his balance went allover the place - his lead foot came down in a place not to his liking and the weight of his momentum had him basically falling forward - i think his first reaction was embarrassment that he'd been made to stumble over like that (by a punch essentially even if it hadn't necerssarily hurt him as such) and then his next reaction was when Ali started bounding around screaming at him to get up I think he just layed back comfortably and was looking at Walcott as if to say get this ******* away from me - and i think the rolling around was his way of saying I'll keep on taking as long as I like to get up - you get this guy away from me and then I'll get up - he looked absolutely unhurt when he was up and looked a bit bored with Walcott continually trying to listen to someone at ringside - bottom line is Ali never at any point went to the neutral corner so the fight is a total dud - a phony - there was no count because there couldn't have been - and Liston could've sat on the canvas for another 40 seconds if he'd wanted to because he didn't need to even start getting up until Ali went to the neutral corner - the handling of the fight was a sham - clearly there was some inside information - the venue and the ridiculously low crowd - it's pretty obvious something dodgy was afoot - first fight stunk to high heaven aswell for that matter - that's just my take on it

 

no chance it was a fix, no credible evidence has ever surfaced.

 

Turpinr, I believe Nat was the official time keeper for the second Liston-Ali bout.

 

Well thought out and written and as good a view on it as any I've ever read. Liston did say he didn't see the punch and it stunned him which is likely, but as you said not badly enough to keep him on the canvas that long rolling around. Man what a series of errors, Nat didn't seem to remember a count isn't started until the standing fighter goes to a corner and Joe didn't seem to know what was going on at all!

 

totally agree - I assume also that Liston's cornermen were no doubt screaming at him from the ring apron to stay where he was until Ali had gone to the neutral corner aswell?? - you could see Liston looking at people somewhere off camera at ringside when he rolled over and went belly down for a bit aswell - and who's to say that when Liston was up and Walcott had left them to go speak to the Nat Fleischer at ringside and Ali ran over and started to flail away - whose to say that Liston wasn't playing possum?? - seeing his only chance ever at drawing Ali in wildly feigning being there for the taking and then exploding with his massive punches back at Ali?? - maybe Jersey Joe spoiled his plan when he then rushed back over to wave it off???

 

were did the video go?

 

Clay stops Alex Miteff with the anchor punch at the 7:50 mark. Watch:

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